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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Final point on another issue raised in this thread: us caucasians knowing what minoritiesn go through in the US because we lived as visible minorities in Korea. Well that holds true in a very narrow sense: we are both visibly different (even then at varying degrees). Then you look at it more closely and see..wait...as caucasians we often get treated favorably because of our being caucasians. Sure there is discrimination but we are flown over, housed and employed and in our daily lives get as much preferential treatment as we do negatives. Now, that black man living in the south...does get preferential treatment in his everyday life in the US? We may get an inkling of what a visible minority is but lets not go nuts and start saying we are part of the fraternity of the discriminated...  |
I understand most of your post... but this part has me cringing a bit. Did I really get flown over here because I'm White? Was the the requirement for the E2 visa?
The preferential treatment you speak of here is not based on being white, but rather based on being on a specific E2 - which last time I checked, did not have a skin colour requirement.
Like I said, I get most of your post... but I think this part veered in the wrong direction. |
Thats not the way I meant it but damn I can see it would come off that way! Sorry.
I meant that foreign teachers are flown over, provided with near free accomodations and other workl benefits, which is a pretty darn good set of conditions. Thats not preferential treatment but it does show the vast gulf that exists between being white in Korea and perhaps being a minority in other countries. Being white is NOT a visa requirement, that in fact would be ridiculous.
You are right however CC, that part of my post was unclear and gave the wrong impression, thanks. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:52 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I think that when we're comparing minority experiences here in Korea to that of the West (or more usually, that of the past in the West), E2 visa holders make out pretty well.
That being said, I'm sticking with my statement of discomfort over it being a "white thing".
-there are E2 visa holders that are not "white", yet get the same/similar benefits
-there are "white" people in Korea that do not always get those benefits.
I think we can ease that all by simply saying E2s.
/shrug
But that's just my opinion. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| You are right CC. |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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is it possible for a westerner to find a nice, cute korean girl? im worried i am going to be girlfriendless and sexless in korea because i am so noticeably different (just for the rec, i am very tall and i do believe i am good looking  ).
im not into looking for girlfriends at clubs or bars either (nice girls dont go there)
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That's just simply not true. I know a lot of white guys who come over here expecting to pull tail easily and fail.
But if you can score back home you should be able to score here. And if you do well in your home country, Korean can be a lot of fun.
Are you a gyopo? Just asking because most gyopo guys I hang with have this huge complex that white guys have it so easy over here. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| I meant that foreign teachers are flown over, provided with near free accomodations and other workl benefits, which is a pretty darn good set of conditions. Thats not preferential treatment but it does show the vast gulf that exists between being white in Korea and perhaps being a minority in other countries |
We don't get free flights or free accomodation or free anything. It is all part of the overal salary. Sorry, but I hate it (not you) when newbs get all wide eyed about 'free' housing and flights etc and possibly turn down other countries that don't offer these benefits but yet if you do the math related to living costs and other factors, might provide an overal comparative compensation package.
Just saying for pedantry's sake. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Kind of like 'free health care' that some talk about receiving in their home countries.
Someone is paying for it. Nothing is free. And that someone is YOU. You're simply paying taxes instead of health care. You're still paying.
As the above poster said include the value of your total compensation and compare its relative value against cost of living when evaluating true compensation.
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
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| I meant that foreign teachers are flown over, provided with near free accomodations and other workl benefits, which is a pretty darn good set of conditions. Thats not preferential treatment but it does show the vast gulf that exists between being white in Korea and perhaps being a minority in other countries |
We don't get free flights or free accomodation or free anything. It is all part of the overal salary. Sorry, but I hate it (not you) when newbs get all wide eyed about 'free' housing and flights etc and possibly turn down other countries that don't offer these benefits but yet if you do the math related to living costs and other factors, might provide an overal comparative compensation package.
Just saying for pedantry's sake. |
I should not have used the word free anyway. Just like when people say Canada has free health care it makes me cringe. Not free, its (as TJ said) paid for by everyone through higher income taxes.
As for the flight and accomodations in Korea, its an employment benefit you get. Sure its meant to entice you to come teach there, but it is still part of your income package which is how I should have put it. Health care and pension are different because you (teacher) pay into the scheme as does your employer.
Now since an average foreign teacher in Korea has no rent-morgage to pay and gets flown over to Korea and out of Korea, its a benefit that is substantial in terms of income, disposable income, savings potential.
Thats all I am saying... |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
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Korea is okay as a temporary thing due to the reason below.
Even married to a Korean and speaking great Korean etc, you're still pretty much limited as to what you can do for a living. That's the worst part of it imo.
Once the joy of doing esl wears off, you're done. |
Nope. Only limited by your imagination. I know people that are accountants, engineers, business owners (not hagwons), even someone that makes a riddiculous amount of money via Internet porn sites.
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Okay. And they are white, non-kyopos? Just curious. |
Yup. I'm moving there next month with a foreign financial services company. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
Korea is okay as a temporary thing due to the reason below.
Even married to a Korean and speaking great Korean etc, you're still pretty much limited as to what you can do for a living. That's the worst part of it imo.
Once the joy of doing esl wears off, you're done. |
Do tell. Is that "the law" as well? |
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BananaBan
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| everything-is-everything wrote: |
| TellyRules986 wrote: |
i am very tall... ).
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Are you a gyopo? |
no i am not lol |
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UseAsDirected
Joined: 12 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:27 am Post subject: |
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Marrying a korean will legally allow you to teach english in Korea... ca ching! (or whatever the sound for money is) |
Getting a visa allows you to teach English in Korea...shoof (sound of paperwork processing at immigration). |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
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| Yet it's not a requirement. If it was, I would have NEVER met non-white E2s. |
Indeed. How did anyone get that idea in their head to begin with? |
However, getting outside of the E2 realm, I know for a fact that it is not uncommon for Indian professors and other professors from poor countries, to get paid less than white professors. |
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GrasshopperKR
Joined: 14 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Marrying a korean will legally allow you to teach english in Korea... ca ching! (or whatever the sound for money is) |
Getting a visa allows you to teach English in Korea...shoof (sound of paperwork processing at immigration). |
Wouldn't the visa provided through marriage be better because legally you can teach where you want and also be allowed to legally teach privates? I mean if one could do kindy in the morning, hagwon in the afternoon and some privates in the evening, they could be making a lot of money. |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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OP - I respect your honesty. Everybody is entitled to their opinion.
I used to spend alot of time complaining about Korea while I was there. It's been 2 years since I left the place.
Looking back, I miss my students and life was okay. It was my co-teacher I didn't like.
If the work environment is an unhappy place, it makes the whole Korean experience more negative. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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I used to spend alot of time complaining about Korea while I was there. It's been 2 years since I left the place.
Looking back, I miss my students and life was okay. It was my co-teacher I didn't like. |
What does this mean? That, given another two years you'll have come to like your ex-coteacher as well? Nay, maybe love??
Are you upstairs or downstairs when you have these wayward thoughts? |
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