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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| ED209 wrote: |
| Or, ban foreigners from going near rivers. |
Or worse A ban of all waygooks from dating Korean people. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
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| Would you or Steel have needed to submit it if you worked at a hagwon? |
Depends on the hagwon owner. And there are non-Koreans who have non-E-2 visas who don't have to submit that stuff either. Some of them own the hagwon even and employ E-2s!. |
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Shock is spreading after police caught a person wanted for first-degree murder who had been working openly as a hagwon instructor in Korea. The Gyeonggi-do Provincial Police Department announced on the 19th that it had arrested the 31-year old Nam for murder at the request of the FBI. According to police, on August 16th, 1996, Nam and three accomplices broke into a home in Pennsylvania, killing a retired police officer and stealing a gun. But Nam paid the bail of $1 million and was given an electronic monitoring bracelet and confined to his home, but was released the following year and fled to Korea on March 13th. Police received the FBI�s information and request for help in 1998 and began an investigation, arresting him on March 4th, 1999 but as Korea and the United States did not then have an extradition treaty in place Nam was released. It was through that incident that an extradition treaty was concluded on December 20th, 1999, and a task force was created which search through areas with high concentrations of foreigners or hagwons, finding his fingerprints in the trash of an apartment complex in Gwangju, Gyeonggi-do. He was soon arrested. Investigators discovered that he was working as a hagwon instructor teaching English in the countryside near Gwangju in Gyeonggi-do. There has been shock over the revelation that a man wanted for first-degree murder by the FBI was teaching English in our country to elementary, middle, and high school students. Police announced that they plan to hand Nam over the United States at that country�s request.
http://asiancorrespondent.com/22385/american-hagwon-teacher-arrested-for-murder/ |
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Yes, Korean-Americans can be criminal hagwon owners.
So can a German-American in Korea on an F-2.
That story is just an example, not a rule. |
Korea is filled with people who took off without repaying debts in the U.S. and such, not to mention fleeing prosecution. This hasn't changed much since the 1990s. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
Korea is filled with people who took off without repaying debts in the U.S. and such, not to mention fleeing prosecution. This hasn't changed much since the 1990s. |
Common amongst Korean communities in the US is a lottery system. Korean families contribute money into a "lottery" and the money is given to families that need it (buy a new house, start a new business, etc..). After you "win" the lottery, you are suppose to keep paying back into it. I know a Korean family that got the money and took off to Korea.
We aren't talking just a few thousand dollars here. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| The "lottery" system is called "gye," and I knew of several people doing it. Some dropped out after getting paid, whereas one woman was murdered by thugs after she collected her money. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
| ED209 wrote: |
| Or, ban foreigners from going near rivers. |
Or worse A ban of all waygooks from dating Korean people. |
If they put this to the Korean people for a vote, I bet it would pass. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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legal or not.
degree holder or not
The guy was obviously crazy, it doesn't matter if he had a degree or was on a legal E2.
someone who kills someone is crazy. Regardless if you went to high school or college. this was probably premeditated and the guy is missing some bolts
It doesn't matter 2001 was more lax about getting a visa, and you think there were more scum back them because of that. NO.
going to university doesn't mean you will not kill someone, or you are intelligent and a respectable human being.
there are still PLENTY of [d-bag violation of TOS] walking around today on legal E2s as there were back in 1999. trust me. I have been here the whole time and I go to hongdae and Itaewon often. pleeeeeeeenty.
when you see those loser E2 types getting into fights, insulting koreans, being rude etc..
they are your educated legal E2's teaching Korean children
god help us! |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:36 am Post subject: |
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legal or not.
degree holder or not
The guy was obviously crazy, it doesn't matter if he had a degree or was on a legal E2.
someone who kills someone is crazy. Regardless if you went to high school or college. this was probably premeditated and the guy is missing some bolts
It doesn't matter 2001 was more lax about getting a visa, and you think there were more scum back them because of that. NO.
going to university doesn't mean you will not kill someone, or you are intelligent and a respectable human being.
there are still PLENTY of douche bags walking around today on legal E2s as there were back in 1999. trust me. I have been here the whole time and I go to hongdae and Itaewon often. pleeeeeeeenty.
when you see those loser E2 types getting into fights, insulting koreans, being rude etc..
they are your educated legal E2's teaching Korean children
god help us! |
Probably the main difference between a crimminal and a non-crimminal is that the crimminal (one with a record) got caught. As for murder, if a person has been convicted of murder, he or she would most likely be in their 40s. And something that some of you may not know, is that most people who have been convicted of murder had no previous record, and also are the least likely to re-offend. Clearly this guy has some problems, and many like him do not have a previous history of crime, though they might have serious mental problems. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
there are still PLENTY of douche bags walking around today on legal E2s as there were back in 1999. trust me. I have been here the whole time and I go to hongdae and Itaewon often. pleeeeeeeenty.
you see those loser E2 types getting into fights, insulting koreans, being rude etc.. |
What we have nowadays is an epidemic of people with personality disorders. Itaewon is a showcase of it.
Arrogant tw*ts, childish posers, insecure losers, attention seekers, smarta s s es, etc.
Modern western society encourages degeneracy IMHO. My guess is that the west has shed a lot of former traditional values and codes of behaviour over the past several decades.
A lot of westerners just never grow up. They never have to treat others with respect, it never ocurrs to them to respect themselves.
Too cynical, too sarcastic. Thats westerners. And don't get me started on the high strike-rate of skinflints in amongst.
Its part of the reason I prefer to live in Korea. Koreans often have a refreshing innocence and honesty by comparison. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
| ED209 wrote: |
| Or, ban foreigners from going near rivers. |
Or worse A ban of all waygooks from dating Korean people. |
Apparently it was rejection that helped send him over the edge.
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| He's noticeably very tall and has brown hair. You get a glimpse of his face, too. |
His name begins with "S". Taken together, all these little details in the media are easily enough to identify him to anyone whose ever worked with him.
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| Police quoted the 38-year-old identified only by the initial S. |
He left K. in 2009, taught in China, then came back a few days ago to confess. So it seems probable that he would never have had to have submitted an apostilled CBC. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
Its part of the reason I prefer to live in Korea. Koreans often have a refreshing innocence and honesty by comparison. |
On a personal level, you're right.
But just look on a business level, the corruption index is way up there. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
Its part of the reason I prefer to live in Korea. Koreans often have a refreshing innocence and honesty by comparison. |
On a personal level, you're right.
But just look on a business level, the corruption index is way up there. |
31/180 isn't bad at all. That puts it comfortably into the top 20% along with the U.S which is at 18/180.
http://www.worldaudit.org/corruption.htm |
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sonicmatt
Joined: 04 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| He kind of reminds me of this Canadian guy from Ottawa that I met when I 1st arrived here. He was tall with brown hair. He def had some disorder. Not sure what it was. The way he introduced himself is unforgettable. He told us the 1st second we met him that most people think he is gay but in fact he was hit in the head with a crowbar when he was younger. This could be the guy. |
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everything-is-everything
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| fosterman wrote: |
there are still PLENTY of douche bags walking around today on legal E2s as there were back in 1999. trust me. I have been here the whole time and I go to hongdae and Itaewon often. pleeeeeeeenty.
you see those loser E2 types getting into fights, insulting koreans, being rude etc.. |
What we have nowadays is an epidemic of people with personality disorders. Itaewon is a showcase of it.
Arrogant tw*ts, childish posers, insecure losers, attention seekers, smarta s s es, etc.
Modern western society encourages degeneracy IMHO. My guess is that the west has shed a lot of former traditional values and codes of behaviour over the past several decades.
A lot of westerners just never grow up. They never have to treat others with respect, it never ocurrs to them to respect themselves.
Too cynical, too sarcastic. Thats westerners. And don't get me started on the high strike-rate of skinflints in amongst.
Its part of the reason I prefer to live in Korea. Koreans often have a refreshing innocence and honesty by comparison. |
I actually think it's both of you who have the real problems.
While there are a few bad apples it's not like the ex-pat community or even English teacher community is filled with degenerates.
This is the exception, not the norm.
I think Julius' and Fosterman's comments are much more a reflection of their own problems (i.e. social skills, outlook on life, idea of reality
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I'm totally down with keeping it real and calling it like it is. But you two are off your rockers if you think these are the primary characteristics of the ex-pat community.
You're like self-hating Jews or Uncle Toms. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| everything-is-everything wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
| fosterman wrote: |
there are still PLENTY of douche bags walking around today on legal E2s as there were back in 1999. trust me. I have been here the whole time and I go to hongdae and Itaewon often. pleeeeeeeenty.
you see those loser E2 types getting into fights, insulting koreans, being rude etc.. |
What we have nowadays is an epidemic of people with personality disorders. Itaewon is a showcase of it.
Arrogant tw*ts, childish posers, insecure losers, attention seekers, smarta s s es, etc.
Modern western society encourages degeneracy IMHO. My guess is that the west has shed a lot of former traditional values and codes of behaviour over the past several decades.
A lot of westerners just never grow up. They never have to treat others with respect, it never ocurrs to them to respect themselves.
Too cynical, too sarcastic. Thats westerners. And don't get me started on the high strike-rate of skinflints in amongst.
Its part of the reason I prefer to live in Korea. Koreans often have a refreshing innocence and honesty by comparison. |
I actually think it's both of you who have the real problems.
While there are a few bad apples it's not like the ex-pat community or even English teacher community is filled with degenerates.
This is the exception, not the norm.
I think Julius' and Fosterman's comments are much more a reflection of their own problems (i.e. social skills, outlook on life, idea of reality
) than what's really going on.
I'm totally down with keeping it real and calling it like it is. But you two are off your rockers if you think these are the primary characteristics of the ex-pat community.
You're like self-hating Jews or Uncle Toms. |
Except that neither said that these were the primary characteristics and you are going overboard with the name-calling. Might want to check the TOS.
All that was said is that there are plenty of freaks here. As the freaky waygook thread shows that is correct. I'd say most ex-pats are (by and large fairly decent people). But there is a significant number of misfits out there as well. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| All that was said is that there are plenty of freaks here. As the freaky waygook thread shows that is correct. I'd say most ex-pats are (by and large fairly decent people). But there is a significant number of misfits out there as well. |
Well, Julius did loosely link a laundry list of annoying people to a claim that there is "an epidemic of people with personality disorders."
That's all I got. |
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