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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
I cant help but wonder how the people (Koreans) who feel she deserved it and got what was coming to would feel if the man in the video had been a foreigner, and it was a foreigner who pushed, slapped, and slammed her head into a wall.
My guess is she would turn from a mentally unstable woman who instigated a fight and got what she deserved to an innocent Han princess who was ruthlessly assaulted by a foreigner because of a lack of understanding of Korean culture. |
Exactly. |
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Chimie
Joined: 05 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| sojusucks wrote: |
4) Which lines is she riding? |
Says in some of the titles of the video. Two were on the 5, the one without violence was the 6 (you can see that out one of the windows as the train stops at a station)
The one where shes thrown into a wall, no idea. |
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Nismo
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| ...men don't hit women. There is no excuse. |
More like "people shouldn't hit people". I don't care if it's a man or a woman, especially if women are striving for equality in society. It's a slippery slope to say that only men can't hit women, because then one could argue that women are naturally weaker than men, and therefore a man's strength is worth more in the workplace which justifies an uneven salary grade.
The woman is the instigator and the man responded beyond what was necessary. Both of them need to be hauled off to the police box and made to make ammends. The woman should pay a fine for being a public nuisance and a danger, and the man should either pay a fine or serve a few days in jail for the assault. It's a pretty simple matter. The fact that nothing has been done by the police to resolve the issue points at the problems of modern Korean society in general and the fact that violating the law has very little repurcussion. This is quite apparent if you look almost anywhere at any moment in any given location on any given day - infractions are ignored. What's the point of establishing law if you don't administer it? |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Nismo wrote: |
| I don't care if it's a man or a woman, especially if women are striving for equality in society. It's a slippery slope to say that only men can't hit women, because then one could argue that women are naturally weaker than men, and therefore a man's strength is worth more in the workplace which justifies an uneven salary grade. |
Apples and oranges. By your logic then someone threatening you with a machine gun is equal to someone threatening you with a feather.
We're talking about criminal assault here, not the workplace- where inherent different strengths and abilities can of course gain greater employability.
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| the man should either pay a fine or serve a few days in jail for the assault. It's a pretty simple matter. |
A "few days" for an assault on an obviously physically weaker woman, that could easily have killed her? |
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Nismo
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| A "few days" for an assault on an obviously physically weaker woman, that could easily have killed her? |
Or he could have been subduing someone mentally unstable who could have easily set the train on fire and killed many more people. These are not my sentiments, but examples of logical arguments that lawyers might adopt.
I think both of them are examples of a small segment of soceity that needs to be addressed and fixed, but the woman is no less wrong than the man. They are both guilty of different offences.
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| By your logic then someone threatening you with a machine gun is equal to someone threatening you with a feather. |
That is not by my logic at all. I mentioned that treating men and women as being guilty in different ways for the same offence is an argument that could spiral out from the current issue into the broader issue of gender equality. It doesn't matter if the offender is a man or a woman - they are a person within society who is breaking the law and, so, should be judged for equal offence.
If I understand your arguments correctly, and of course I may be misinterpreting what you are saying because I am human after all, you are expressing the following:
1. Men do not have the right to assault women. (I agree)
A. A man assaulting a woman is like an individual threatening you with a machine gun. (I don't see the connection)
2. However, women are less at fault for assaulting men. (I disagree)
A. A woman assaulting a man is like an individual threatening you with a feather. (I don't see the connection)
3. By this extension, a man assaulting a woman is more serious than a woman assaulting a man. (I disagree) |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Suwon Fish wrote: |
That old man should know enough by now to know that men don't hit women. There is no excuse. |
You're assuming that this middle aged Korean man has the same values as you.
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| More like "people shouldn't hit people". I don't care if it's a man or a woman, especially if women are striving for equality in society. It's a slippery slope to say that only men can't hit women, because then one could argue that women are naturally weaker than men, and therefore a man's strength is worth more in the workplace which justifies an uneven salary grade. |
I agree. I think it's time we move past this notion that women should be cuddled and protected because they're weaker. It's sexist. Is it okay for a guy to hit another guy then?
Of course I'm not defending the Korean dude in the video in this particular circumstance though. He should've pressed charges once she touched him. |
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FMPJ
Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:51 am Post subject: |
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I love the fact that multiple angles exist of this for the same incident and that multiple videos of this lady exist.
If I could guess, rather than being some rant against gender roles society, or some stand for public smoking policy or any other "deep reason", I think this lady just flat out wants attention and a reaction.
She's obviously loves to ham it up for the camera and is carrying herself like someone who expects people to look at her. Any attention, even violent attention, is better than no attention at all.
Obviously, she's succeeded in her goal and achieved her 15 minutes.
If I had to guess, I'm betting there are other videos of her as well. And I say its only a matter of time before some ajumma/princess type throws down with her as well. Heck I bet she's hoping for that, it would push her ratings up even more. Another "riling up an ajosshi" video won't be as big.
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| If this woman was normal up until recently, as someone suggested they heard/read, she could have something like a brain tumor causing this. I've seen the results of that before. |
Sounds like something out of "House".
We got the tumor, but now she's got GI bleeding. Parasite? Toxin? Sarcoidosis? Lupus? It can't be lupus, can it? |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| What was so difficult about calling the number posted in every subway car to report an offender? There was no reason to be jamming an umbrella tip into the woman's face. There certainly was no reason to be threatening or hitting someone with a shoe. Of course, there was no reason to be beating the daylights out of the woman. Also, there really was no valid reason for the woman to be smoking and boozing it up on the subway in the first place. That she was doing so does not make it acceptable in any degree whatsoever for any of the other acts shown in the videos linked. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I love the fact that multiple angles exist of this for the same incident and that multiple videos of this lady exist.
If I could guess, rather than being some rant against gender roles society, or some stand for public smoking policy or any other "deep reason", I think this lady just flat out wants attention and a reaction.
She's obviously loves to ham it up for the camera and is carrying herself like someone who expects people to look at her. Any attention, even violent attention, is better than no attention at all.
Obviously, she's succeeded in her goal and achieved her 15 minutes.
If I had to guess, I'm betting there are other videos of her as well. And I say its only a matter of time before some ajumma/princess type throws down with her as well. Heck I bet she's hoping for that, it would push her ratings up even more. Another "riling up an ajosshi" video won't be as big.
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| If this woman was normal up until recently, as someone suggested they heard/read, she could have something like a brain tumor causing this. I've seen the results of that before. |
Sounds like something out of "House".
We got the tumor, but now she's got GI bleeding. Parasite? Toxin? Sarcoidosis? Lupus? It can't be lupus, can it? |
It's never lupus. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| She may not be mentally unstable. She may just be bitter and doesn't care anymore. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
| She may not be mentally unstable. She may just be bitter and doesn't care anymore. |
Either way, at some point she will get arrested. Odds are she may need some psychiatric help however. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Never forget that this is Korea. Seven months ago I saw a dude tackle a woman on the sidewalk, punch her multiple times, then kick her in the face at least twice, after he ripped his shirt off, exposing his ajossi rolls. Multiple witnesses... but when the one cop showed up, what did he do? Escort the drunk guy back home while the girl sat crying and bleeding on the sidewalk. Eventually, the restaurant ajummas outside where she was beaten took her in, but what a scene, what an injustice. This is Mars. I still have part of this recorded on my phone. There are seriously medieval problems here, despite what the usual suspects might hint/scream at the top of their lungs at, through a consistently deluded scope of relativism. |
So you just watched it like everyone else? It seems that it was entertaining enough that you even pulled out your phone camera to record it.
How are you any better than the rest of spectators who just stood by without even trying to break it up or help out the beaten woman on the sidewalk? |
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littlelisa
Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| Chimie wrote: |
| sojusucks wrote: |
4) Which lines is she riding? |
Says in some of the titles of the video. Two were on the 5, the one without violence was the 6 (you can see that out one of the windows as the train stops at a station)
The one where shes thrown into a wall, no idea. |
It's mentioned in the info below the video. Bundang line. The news clip mentions that she lives in Bundang. Seems it's mostly on line 5 and Bundang line. |
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jfromtheway
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
| jfromtheway wrote: |
| Never forget that this is Korea. Seven months ago I saw a dude tackle a woman on the sidewalk, punch her multiple times, then kick her in the face at least twice, after he ripped his shirt off, exposing his ajossi rolls. Multiple witnesses... but when the one cop showed up, what did he do? Escort the drunk guy back home while the girl sat crying and bleeding on the sidewalk. Eventually, the restaurant ajummas outside where she was beaten took her in, but what a scene, what an injustice. This is Mars. I still have part of this recorded on my phone. There are seriously medieval problems here, despite what the usual suspects might hint/scream at the top of their lungs at, through a consistently deluded scope of relativism. |
So you just watched it like everyone else? It seems that it was entertaining enough that you even pulled out your phone camera to record it. |
Yes, I did. Yes, it was.
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| How are you any better than the rest of spectators who just stood by without even trying to break it up or help out the beaten woman on the sidewalk? |
It was never an issue of me being better than anyone else, it was an issue of me being white, having only been here a month or two, and having read about arrests and deportations resulting from westerners accosting drunk Koreans in the midst of domestic disputes.
There was a thread a while back where people gave their opinions on whether or not they would step in after witnessing something similar. I'm on the side of the "say something or do something" crowd; and if you put me in a similar situation now, I likely would have handled things differently. Either way, what's your point here? I believe I already addressed most of what you mentioned in a latter post.
And, Patrick, before haphazardly failing in your attempts quantify any anger management issues I may or may not have, please remember the anger-filled PMs you sent me a month or two back, for no apparent reason whatsoever. Also recall my leveled, put-you-in-your-place responses to them. Still got 'em, too. So lay off.  |
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