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figshdg
Joined: 01 May 2012
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Is compulsory education anti-freedom? Isn't conscription in part, compulsory education?
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As far as I'm aware, conscripts can't decide to opt of the state's army to join a private army. Moreover, they can't decide to stay at home and 'study' at home. A fairly poor analogy, Steelrails. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| figshdg wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Is compulsory education anti-freedom? Isn't conscription in part, compulsory education?
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As far as I'm aware, conscripts can't decide to opt of the state's army to join a private army. Moreover, they can't decide to stay at home and 'study' at home. A fairly poor analogy, Steelrails. |
Conscientious objectors can opt out to do non-military activities though, so I don't really see the problem. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| figshdg wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Is compulsory education anti-freedom? Isn't conscription in part, compulsory education?
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As far as I'm aware, conscripts can't decide to opt of the state's army to join a private army. Moreover, they can't decide to stay at home and 'study' at home. A fairly poor analogy, Steelrails. |
Conscientious objectors can opt out to do non-military activities though, so I don't really see the problem. |
Or get tattoos and go to jail instead! |
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soomin
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:24 am Post subject: |
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Considering that a number of people suffered severe burns from their coffee they should probably have taken some safety precautions, like not filling the cup up to the brim and not serving it hot off the pot. The woman was burned just from taking the lid off to put cream and sugar in. I've spilled hot coffee on myself before and I've never been burned to the point where I had any physical damage other than a mild blister.
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'Just wait five minutes, sir. I can't serve it to you until it's cooled down in case you burn yourself' |
First of all, I don't think that woman had the right to sue McDonald's... but I would like to say, at one of the coffee shops I worked at, we would cool down the coffee for customers... All you do is take two cups, and poor the coffee from one cup to the other a couple of times... A quick trick that makes the customer feel special and that will help you out when/if your customer spills coffee all over themselves. I think this has a lot to do with the whiny nature of so many Americans as well... For example...
customer: "I want a refund for this chocolate shake."
me: "Oh, what seems to be the problem?"
customer: "It's TOO chocolatey~"
me: "... ... ...you... ordered a chocolate milkshake, right?"
customer: "Yes... but this is just... it's just too chocolatey."
My boss made me give her a refund and then explained that there were two ways to make a chocolate milkshake and that I had to ask the customers beforehand whether they wanted a chocolate milkshake or one that was really chocolatey. smh
America is becoming more and more coddled and that limits freedom. Companies have to think of all the ways someone could possibly hurt themselves (and then sue the company because of it) and then try to make everything as safe as possible. I'm all for safety precautions, but why do people have to warn me that my coffee is hot?
On the issue of conscription, I completely understand it, but I also hate it. I don't want my fiance to be called into battle just because he's of "fighting age" and is Korean... One of my grandfathers was a soldier and is proud of his achievements, and the other is still disgraced because he dodged the draft by suddenly deciding to become a pastor (even though we're all a little unclear of his religious beliefs...) It's a weird thing, conscription, and one that I understand but don't necessarily support. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
As far as I'm aware, conscripts can't decide to opt of the state's army to join a private army. Moreover, they can't decide to stay at home and 'study' at home. A fairly poor analogy, Steelrails. |
Conscientious objectors can opt out to do non-military activities though, so I don't really see the problem.[/quote]
"non-military activities" for those guys mean prison. So yeah, there is a problem. It's slavery. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
As far as I'm aware, conscripts can't decide to opt of the state's army to join a private army. Moreover, they can't decide to stay at home and 'study' at home. A fairly poor analogy, Steelrails. |
Conscientious objectors can opt out to do non-military activities though, so I don't really see the problem. |
"non-military activities" for those guys mean prison. So yeah, there is a problem. It's slavery.[/quote]
I thought we were speaking more generally than Korea at this point. A lot of the countries listed (and the US) have mechanisms in place so that conscientious objectors don't have to fight. |
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figshdg
Joined: 01 May 2012
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:38 am Post subject: |
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I thought we were speaking more generally than Korea at this point. A lot of the countries listed (and the US) have mechanisms in place so that conscientious objectors don't have to fight. |
Are you sure about that? A quick Google search shows that the majority of countries with mandatory service do not have other options. In fact, out of the countries listed in a previous post, arguably the most democratic and liberal, Norway , just removed that option. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| figshdg wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
I thought we were speaking more generally than Korea at this point. A lot of the countries listed (and the US) have mechanisms in place so that conscientious objectors don't have to fight. |
Are you sure about that? A quick Google search shows that the majority of countries with mandatory service do not have other options. In fact, out of the countries listed in a previous post, arguably the most democratic and liberal, Norway , just removed that option. |
To be honest, I may have assumed it was more widespread than it is, but looking at Wiki: Germany, the US, and Finland all have alternative options for conscientious objectors (I know quite a few American conscientious objectors who planted trees and whatnot during WWII). Also, prior to abolishing conscription entirely, Canada, the UK, Spain, Belgium, and Italy all had provisions allowing conscientious objectors not to serve in military roles (likely the source of my confusion).
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| Turkey, Armenia and Azerbaijan are the only three countries refusing to recognise conscientious objection and sustain their membership in the Council of Europe. |
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| As of 2005, conscientious objectors in several countries may serve as field paramedics in the army (although some do not consider this a genuine alternative, as they feel it merely helps to make war more humane instead of preventing it). Alternatively, they may serve without arms, although this, too, has its problems. In certain European countries such as Austria, Germany, Greece and Switzerland, there is the option of performing Civilian Service, subject to the review of a written application or after a hearing about the state of conscience (see below). In Greece, Civilian Service is twice as long as the corresponding military service and in Switzerland, the Civilian Service is one and one-half times longer. In 2005, the Swiss parliament considered whether willingness to serve one and a half times longer than an army recruit was sufficient proof of sincerity, citing that the cost of judging the state of conscience of a few thousand men per year was too great. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| In Greece, Civilian Service is twice as long as the corresponding military service and in Switzerland, the Civilian Service is one and one-half times longer. In 2005, the Swiss parliament considered whether willingness to serve one and a half times longer than an army recruit was sufficient proof of sincerity, citing that the cost of judging the state of conscience of a few thousand men per year was too great. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector |
Well there you have it. Be a war slave for X years or a domestic slave for 1.5X years. I wonder how often "Civilian Service" involves serving drinks to politicians and war leaders on "the home front". |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| comm wrote: |
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| In Greece, Civilian Service is twice as long as the corresponding military service and in Switzerland, the Civilian Service is one and one-half times longer. In 2005, the Swiss parliament considered whether willingness to serve one and a half times longer than an army recruit was sufficient proof of sincerity, citing that the cost of judging the state of conscience of a few thousand men per year was too great. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector |
Well there you have it. Be a war slave for X years or a domestic slave for 1.5X years. I wonder how often "Civilian Service" involves serving drinks to politicians and war leaders on "the home front". |
The people I know who have done it in the States served in national parks and national forests planting trees. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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simple really, AMERICA has no freedom. never has, and never will!
it's a controlled nation by a few people at the top, always has been and always will be..
ask any native Indian or black about Freedom.
the day the white man set food on the land, he said. THE POLICE HAVE ARRIVE! it's our way or death.
millions got the bullet.
but Korea is slowly changing too, thanks to American influence.
the American doctrine of ownership and control has spread across the world to all it's allies, 100 years from now, 200 years from now will be a society with full control ,ownership and dictatorship. the master plan will come into being.
glad I will not be around then, the dark ages were dark. well it's about to get a whole lot darker in the future. A LOT. |
If Americans have no freedom...or any country for that matter....it's their OWN fault...afterall...they voted for the knuckleheads who enact the laws!! |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
If Americans have no freedom...or any country for that matter....it's their OWN fault...afterall...they voted for the knuckleheads who enact the laws!! |
yes, but.. let's not forget, most presidents or prime ministers are just puppets put their to let the people believe they have the power by electing people to those positions. where in fact, presidents don't take orders from the people.
they take orders from people whom we have never met. the true leaders of the country. we could open up a whole other debate on who they maybe.
but it aint barrack Obama |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| fosterman wrote: |
| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
If Americans have no freedom...or any country for that matter....it's their OWN fault...afterall...they voted for the knuckleheads who enact the laws!! |
yes, but.. let's not forget, most presidents or prime ministers are just puppets put their to let the people believe they have the power by electing people to those positions. where in fact, presidents don't take orders from the people.
they take orders from people whom we have never met. the true leaders of the country. we could open up a whole other debate on who they maybe.
but it aint barrack Obama |
I hear you!
But it's still the voters fault..they can always do a recall election....or don't re-elect them....it does not matter who gets elected....from the very first election way back when...they all talk crap just to get elected and then don't follow through...it all comes down to the voters standing together....and they don't...
if the President is not following the voters wishes...then vote out the senate and house! Simple enough...but we don't!
It's all about the money and power. |
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Noliving
Joined: 01 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:20 am Post subject: |
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your argument doesn't even have a leg to stand on. if you can't understand that coffee is made with boiling water and designed fundamentally to be enjoyed at very high temperature and proceed to spill it on yourself then you need to go back to grade school and study heat and how cups work.
if you then grasp those concepts you can take the advanced course on fluid dynamics and why combining motion whether it be in a vehicle, on foot, riding a dolphin, etc., and hot liquids in open-top containers are a bad idea.
in my opinion people like her deserve everything they get (besides payouts for their stupidity). it's darwinian natural selection at work. it's just unfortunate she didn't choose to ignore the "hazardous to your health if ingested" warning on bleach bottles. |
I take it you didn't read Kuros post did you?
Unless you can show that the coffee served to the customer is being poured into the customers glass or container as it is being brewed there is no need for it to be served to the customer at 180-190 degrees Fahrenheit. It can be enjoyed at a high temp of 100-120 degrees Fahrenheit. Once coffee is in a coffee pot there is no need to keep it at such a temperature. The woman in question was not in a moving vehicle when this incident occurred, the vehicle was parked. |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Freedom is a state of mind for you can feel free anywhere if you are at least Ok at the bank regardless where in the world you are enjoying yourself ramble on about it all. |
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