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John Stamos jr.



Joined: 07 Oct 2012
Location: Namsan

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of the casual bus takers need to sit this one out. Anyone who has had to stand for 45 minutes on a packed bus during rush hour everyday in the middle of the winter knows the deal. I see Koreans frying up in there all the time too, who jack the window open immediately after sneaking into a window seat. Bottom line, it's ajosshi bus driver selfishness and it's too hot.
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drydell



Joined: 01 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe people wouldn't complain if it really was an understandable cultural difference and just not so bizarre - changing clothes based on calender not temperature change... (is there any other nations that do this?)

I think its perfectly fine to grumble about this when so many people feel really physically uncomfortable on a daily basis because of it (and partly ruining the best season temperature wise)...and I don't think its just the drivers because I've already had other passengers leaning over me to close a window to prevent a very mild,cooling, pleasant breeze from interfering with the oven-effect.

And if there was a forum for Koreans who lived in and visit -say.. England - who all liked to grumble about the illogicalities and annoyances of living in England I would have absolutely no problem with them all having a good online gripe about such things. I'd find it very weird if some koreans - maybe some who'd married into the country- went onto every thread to defend their new adopted country against all these annoyances - no matter how justified the complaining was...
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crescent



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
These are the same people who if Koreans said something like that about them, would absolutely blow their lid about those "bigoted Koreans".

You tend to blurt things out at random.
Oh oh, now I did it. Here comes the Steelrails diatribe masked as reasoning.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. BlackCat wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
Newbie wrote:


But when it turns into a "Gawdang it's hot on these buses. What's wrong with Korean people. Why.... Wahhh, wahhh, wahhh. Why don't they have a system that makes me happy" ... that's not right.


These are the same people who if Koreans said something like that about them, would absolutely blow their lid about those "bigoted Koreans".


Yes, absolutely. Every time my CT tells me that I handle the cold better than her I feel personally violated. When my landlord tells me it's crazy that I'm not using heat in October I scream about bigotry. Absolutely. This happens all the time. Thanks for pointing out the gross hypocrisy of all foreigners in Korea.


"Foreigners can't handle Korean heat."

"Why can't foreigners like normal temperatures? Why are they so selfish about keeping it cold."

Yeah, I'm sure people would have no problem with a statement like that.
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Scorpion



Joined: 15 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's absurd. Half the people on the subway are falling asleep from the heat. I don't even venture into emart unless I've got shorts and a t-shirt on under my winter coat. And what about the students in the highly overheated classroom. How is a hot room conducive to efficient thinking and, well, just staying awake during class? It's not.

It's just ridiculous.
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Lazio



Joined: 15 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I find amusing is that with all the cold fobia of Koreans how the insulation as a whole is literally non-existent here. Even brand new windows and doors are utter crap, not to mention the walls with half an inch of insulation on the bare concrete. All those glass doors with a huge gap all over it on every single store and so on.
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crescent



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
"Foreigners can't handle Korean heat."

"Why can't foreigners like normal temperatures? Why are they so selfish about keeping it cold."

Yeah, I'm sure people would have no problem with a statement like that.

How sad for you that you sincerely think a statement like that would cause me or anyone else on this thread to 'flip their lid'. Why would there be a problem with a statement like that?
Here's another example...

"Why don't foreigners like spitting on the ground close to others? Why are they so obsessive about bodily functions?"

No problem there either.
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transmogrifier



Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a sample size of one, but my Korean wife feels the cold way, way, way more than me. She has The Ice Hands of Doom which she uses to torture me when I least expect it.

Even she thinks it gets too hot on buses and trains sometimes. But mostly she appreciates it, I think.
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Mr. BlackCat



Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Mr. BlackCat wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
Newbie wrote:


But when it turns into a "Gawdang it's hot on these buses. What's wrong with Korean people. Why.... Wahhh, wahhh, wahhh. Why don't they have a system that makes me happy" ... that's not right.


These are the same people who if Koreans said something like that about them, would absolutely blow their lid about those "bigoted Koreans".


Yes, absolutely. Every time my CT tells me that I handle the cold better than her I feel personally violated. When my landlord tells me it's crazy that I'm not using heat in October I scream about bigotry. Absolutely. This happens all the time. Thanks for pointing out the gross hypocrisy of all foreigners in Korea.


"Foreigners can't handle Korean heat."

"Why can't foreigners like normal temperatures? Why are they so selfish about keeping it cold."

Yeah, I'm sure people would have no problem with a statement like that.


First, I would not find any of these statements offensive. I know I like things cold. I know Koreans, in general, like things hot. So, yeah, I would find your above statements to be rather correct.

Second, please find the quote on this thread where anyone said all Koreans were selfish. That's really the only insulting word you've used, and I really can't remember anyone here claiming all Koreans share that trait (some have pointed to selfish bus drivers, but if we're going to say that anyone bad-mouthing bus drivers in any country is guilty of bias, then I guess I've been anti-Canadian my whole life).

Third, I've had some thermostat battles with co-workers in Canada, too, but what makes it so unique here is the utter lack of (to me) logic to the other side. I can reasonably disagree with someone who wants it a bit toastier during a February snowstorm. But after several years here I still simply can't grasp why the heat is blaring on a 18c October afternoon, but then the windows are wide open during that same February snowstorm later on. I live with it and deal with it, but I can't accept it as normal.

You can take my comfortable ambient temperatures, but you can't take my sanity! Twisted Evil
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Squire



Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last winter I rode a scooter to school for 45 minutes each way. I used to dread leaving home in the morning and leaving work at 5. Hated it. For a couple of weeks during the winter holiday I gave in and decided to take the buses, and it was fantastic! Sitting in the warmth reading until I fell asleep each journey was heavenly.

The heat is definitely overdone though. I suppose the bus driver gets the blast of cold air every time the door is opened so he needs it to be hotter than the people on the bus do, who will mostly be further from the doors than he is
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rchristo10



Joined: 14 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stan Rogers wrote:
I can't believe a heater on a bus got 4 pages of responses. Rolling Eyes


I'm still in shock too! Very Happy

Makes me wonder bout the folks here. We're definitely bored...that's why I'm adding. This is kinda weirdly hilarious.

Surprised that the moderators let it go so far. They're so nice. Page 5, woo hee!
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fan of hot buses timidly raises hand.

I love a little roasting on my commute & if it induces a snooze, bonus. On weekends year-round I seek out saunas & jjimjilbangs. Suits my system.

[Born & raised in the great white north.]
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byrddogs



Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has nothing to do with the heat on buses, but here's a little story from today about Koreans and the changing of the seasons/temps.

I rode my bike in today, as did several others in the department. Each of us rides anywhere from 15-20kms, so we feel a little warmer by the time that we get in. It was about 17C at 8:30 here in Shanghai. We had cracked open a few windows to let in some fresh air. All of the other teachers that had taken the bus were fine with the temp in the teachers' office, except......When the one male K teacher arrived (wearing jeans, long sleeved shirt and jacket), the second thing that came out of his mouth after anyang-seyo was chuweo. Immediately, the windows had to be closed so that he would be comfortable. To heck with the other eleven of us that were completely fine before he got there, haha.
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laynamarya



Joined: 01 Jan 2010
Location: Gwangjin-gu

PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how many of you know this...

When Korean babies are born, they are kept inside for 100 days. The room is kept at 37 degrees Celsius that whole time, the argument being that babies can't withstand the shock of a temperature so much lower than its mama's body. And then, they spend their entire childhoods with their mothers, grandmothers, and random ajummas and halmonis telling them that they "must be cold" and adding layers of clothing, no matter what season it is. (Trust me. I speak from experience.)

So eventually, most kids give up. Either they get used to a much higher temperature, convince themselves that maybe all those women must be right about how hot or cold they feel, or they just get tired of fighting it. Ta-da! A society full of cold people.

...but I also think you're underestimating gender. My K-husband is always hotter than I am. At school, I have a female Korean co-teacher, and a male American co-teacher. The Korean teacher and I always agree on the classroom temperature, and my American co-teacher has to suffer. Poor guy.

I'm guessing most of the folks complaining about the cold are Korean ladies, right?
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

laynamarya wrote:
I wonder how many of you know this...

When Korean babies are born, they are kept inside for 100 days. The room is kept at 37 degrees Celsius that whole time, the argument being that babies can't withstand the shock of a temperature so much lower than its mama's body. And then, they spend their entire childhoods with their mothers, grandmothers, and random ajummas and halmonis telling them that they "must be cold" and adding layers of clothing, no matter what season it is. (Trust me. I speak from experience.)

So eventually, most kids give up. Either they get used to a much higher temperature, convince themselves that maybe all those women must be right about how hot or cold they feel, or they just get tired of fighting it. Ta-da! A society full of cold people.

...but I also think you're underestimating gender. My K-husband is always hotter than I am. At school, I have a female Korean co-teacher, and a male American co-teacher. The Korean teacher and I always agree on the classroom temperature, and my American co-teacher has to suffer. Poor guy.

I'm guessing most of the folks complaining about the cold are Korean ladies, right?


This WAS how things were done in the past but not how things are done in general now or in recent years (in our experience). We certainly did not keep our babies indoors for 100 days with closely monitored temperature in the house. I am sure some Koreans still do that but all of my wife's friends took their babies outside after a week or so to go for a stroll. They do bundle them up a bit more however.

Korean parents do tend to bundle up their kids more in general terms. They do worry about the cold more. As for house temperature my MIL keeps her home warmer than we kept ours in Busan that is for sure. Laughing

My FIL not so much and he cracks the window open in the winter...until she closes it again. Laughing

As for my wife, she is more sensitive to cold than I am that is for sure. We live in Canada now and after a few years here, she still HATES the winter with a passion and never feels quite warm outside no matter the coat she is wearing. She does not overdress our kids (maybe my influence there). Conversely, she does not mind the summer heat nearly as much as I do!

It is interesting how these differences pop up and knowing WHY things happen a certain way certainly is the key here and will avoid stupid generalizations. That was a good post laynamarya, thanks for sharing.
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