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goat
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| DaeguNL wrote: |
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It doesn't pay to challenge dumb cops or dumb bureaucrats over their "authority." |
This couldn't be more irrelevant to this topic. I have been invited to the training
3 times during my 5 years..I attended once, and skipped twice. I would guess about 8 or 9 of the 20 or so foreign coworkers attended. Nothing happened to those who skipped, not even a warning. I will never return to it again, as it is a complete joke. It is a forum for the police to remind us not to sexually assault kids, and they throw on a performance to mask that.
I am no longer on an E-2 visa, so I dont know if I will get invited. I asked my work about it and they had no idea what I was talking about.
No one is gonna get fired or fined for not attending this BS |
The fact that you lived in an area that let you escape without a penalty for missing the meetings means little. The fact that you currently live in an area that still doesn't hold these meetings is your good fortune. The meetings are useless, there is no training, and they are a waste of time - no argument from me.
But it's your experience that is not relevant to the topic. It doesn't follow logically.
You may have gone speeding down the highway, been stopped by the police and you were not issued a ticket, or maybe you weren't stopped at all. It doesn't mean that the next guy won't get a speeding ticket or that you won't get a ticket on another stretch of road. |
Are you the only teacher who has been fined for missing one of these meetings? |
I have no idea. I met teachers who were attending a make up meeting as required by the education office. I knew a teacher who was threatened with a fine or make up meeting by the education office, but he had actually attended and was eventually able to produce witnesses, both Korean and foreign, that he had been there (he either forgot to turn in his attendance form or it was lost).
It would be nice if these were no longer required. Teachers in the City of Seoul may never have to attend, they may never hold one of these meetings there. Some places seem very disorganized in their record keeping by the experience of others listed here, so the education offices under those conditions may be unable to pursue or even identify non-attendees. But at the present time, for teachers who get one of the meeting notices with their name on it that is required to be turned in at the event to prove attendance, the best advice is to go yourself, you can read, text, play games, even nap ... but at least make sure that your card is filed and your fee paid. Even better to have a witness that you were actually there. |
So as far as you know, you are the only teacher who you can say has been fined?
Have you ever been abducted by aliens in a flying saucier? If so, can you give a detailed description of the abduction? How long did they keep you on the ship? What did they look like? Where did the abduction take place? Can you describe their appearance? Did they do any type of experiments on you? Did they make you fill out any type of forms? Did you receive any type of letter informing you that the abduction would take place? Did they charge a fee for taking you on the ship? When you were freed from the flying saucier, did it play one of those funny tunes like the hogwons play when they dismiss the students? |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| goat wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| goat wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| DaeguNL wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
It doesn't pay to challenge dumb cops or dumb bureaucrats over their "authority." |
This couldn't be more irrelevant to this topic. I have been invited to the training
3 times during my 5 years..I attended once, and skipped twice. I would guess about 8 or 9 of the 20 or so foreign coworkers attended. Nothing happened to those who skipped, not even a warning. I will never return to it again, as it is a complete joke. It is a forum for the police to remind us not to sexually assault kids, and they throw on a performance to mask that.
I am no longer on an E-2 visa, so I dont know if I will get invited. I asked my work about it and they had no idea what I was talking about.
No one is gonna get fired or fined for not attending this BS |
The fact that you lived in an area that let you escape without a penalty for missing the meetings means little. The fact that you currently live in an area that still doesn't hold these meetings is your good fortune. The meetings are useless, there is no training, and they are a waste of time - no argument from me.
But it's your experience that is not relevant to the topic. It doesn't follow logically.
You may have gone speeding down the highway, been stopped by the police and you were not issued a ticket, or maybe you weren't stopped at all. It doesn't mean that the next guy won't get a speeding ticket or that you won't get a ticket on another stretch of road. |
Are you the only teacher who has been fined for missing one of these meetings? |
I have no idea. I met teachers who were attending a make up meeting as required by the education office. I knew a teacher who was threatened with a fine or make up meeting by the education office, but he had actually attended and was eventually able to produce witnesses, both Korean and foreign, that he had been there (he either forgot to turn in his attendance form or it was lost).
It would be nice if these were no longer required. Teachers in the City of Seoul may never have to attend, they may never hold one of these meetings there. Some places seem very disorganized in their record keeping by the experience of others listed here, so the education offices under those conditions may be unable to pursue or even identify non-attendees. But at the present time, for teachers who get one of the meeting notices with their name on it that is required to be turned in at the event to prove attendance, the best advice is to go yourself, you can read, text, play games, even nap ... but at least make sure that your card is filed and your fee paid. Even better to have a witness that you were actually there. |
So as far as you know, you are the only teacher who you can say has been fined? |
Yes, I'm the only one who didn't attend an alternate meeting to avoid the fine that I know of. The others in the end were not fined because they attended a make up meeting. I really was never that interested in the topic since my boss paid the fine for making the mistake.
However, teachers need to be aware that fines are possible in parts of Korea, and that there were several cases to my personal knowledge of being threatened with the fine by their local education offices where the teachers took a long trip to another location (where I was attending) to escape the fine. This had been strongly suggested to me as well but I refused the long trip to a different city and told my boss to just pay the fine. So, it was only me and the few that I met at random at the meetings, but I've never actively looked, so unless I've randomly met every one, there are probably others. My case and each of the other teachers I met who had a similar problem were in different years and from different locations.
The only interesting thing at each meeting has been meeting new teachers. Some had traveled great distances, which brought up the why question and the response of attending a make up meeting because they missed the local one and had been required to come by their local education office rules. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| ... one of those funny tunes like the hogwons play when they dismiss the students? |
You must be making up stories now. I've never heard of any hogwan playing any kind of music to dismiss students. |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| There is 보강 for not attending the meeting?? Now I know he is making this up. |
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DaeguNL
Joined: 08 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| DaeguNL wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
It doesn't pay to challenge dumb cops or dumb bureaucrats over their "authority." |
This couldn't be more irrelevant to this topic. I have been invited to the training
3 times during my 5 years..I attended once, and skipped twice. I would guess about 8 or 9 of the 20 or so foreign coworkers attended. Nothing happened to those who skipped, not even a warning. I will never return to it again, as it is a complete joke. It is a forum for the police to remind us not to sexually assault kids, and they throw on a performance to mask that.
I am no longer on an E-2 visa, so I dont know if I will get invited. I asked my work about it and they had no idea what I was talking about.
No one is gonna get fired or fined for not attending this BS |
The fact that you lived in an area that let you escape without a penalty for missing the meetings means little. The fact that you currently live in an area that still doesn't hold these meetings is your good fortune. The meetings are useless, there is no training, and they are a waste of time - no argument from me.
But it's your experience that is not relevant to the topic. It doesn't follow logically.
You may have gone speeding down the highway, been stopped by the police and you were not issued a ticket, or maybe you weren't stopped at all. It doesn't mean that the next guy won't get a speeding ticket or that you won't get a ticket on another stretch of road. |
So my experience of not getting fined/fired is irrelevant, but yours (as apparently the only teacher to actually get fined from not attending) is?
I'm just stating that I've never heard of anyone getting reprimanded for not attending, and that includes co workers, friends, random strangers etc.
Though I can never rule anything out in Korea, I bet the worst thing that will happen 99.9% of the time, is that your boss will ask why you didnt go.
Say you were feeling ill and wanted to recover by the time monday classes roll around, and he/she will leave it with a smile on their face. (This is exactly what happened to me) |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| DaeguNL wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| DaeguNL wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
It doesn't pay to challenge dumb cops or dumb bureaucrats over their "authority." |
This couldn't be more irrelevant to this topic. I have been invited to the training
3 times during my 5 years..I attended once, and skipped twice. I would guess about 8 or 9 of the 20 or so foreign coworkers attended. Nothing happened to those who skipped, not even a warning. I will never return to it again, as it is a complete joke. It is a forum for the police to remind us not to sexually assault kids, and they throw on a performance to mask that.
I am no longer on an E-2 visa, so I dont know if I will get invited. I asked my work about it and they had no idea what I was talking about.
No one is gonna get fired or fined for not attending this BS |
The fact that you lived in an area that let you escape without a penalty for missing the meetings means little. The fact that you currently live in an area that still doesn't hold these meetings is your good fortune. The meetings are useless, there is no training, and they are a waste of time - no argument from me.
But it's your experience that is not relevant to the topic. It doesn't follow logically.
You may have gone speeding down the highway, been stopped by the police and you were not issued a ticket, or maybe you weren't stopped at all. It doesn't mean that the next guy won't get a speeding ticket or that you won't get a ticket on another stretch of road. |
So my experience of not getting fined/fired is irrelevant, but yours (as apparently the only teacher to actually get fined from not attending) is?
I'm just stating that I've never heard of anyone getting reprimanded for not attending, and that includes co workers, friends, random strangers etc.
Though I can never rule anything out in Korea, I bet the worst thing that will happen 99.9% of the time, is that your boss will ask why you didnt go.
Say you were feeling ill and wanted to recover by the time monday classes roll around, and he/she will leave it with a smile on their face. (This is exactly what happened to me) |
That's right, if you had an ounce of logic you would understand that your experience is not relevant at all to your statement:
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