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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turtlepi1 wrote:


Gaijin - Japanese Term for Foreigners
Gaijin is a Japanese term for foreigners, often considered insulting or demeaning.



Good example. Gaijin is widely used over there, like �ܱ��� is over here. Some of Japanese boards like Gaijinpot, do sometimes complain about the use of the word in the culture, but the expat sensitivity towards �ܱ��� in Korea, is way over-the-top, IMO. I often notice foreigners give a bad look to Koreans on subways, if they hear a nearby pocket of conversation drop a word like '�ܱ�'. When the actual conversation was something like 'my friend is going to study abroad next year'. I think there is an unusually high amount of insecurity-fueled assumptions that expats project onto Koreans and their language/culture. I think that has more to do with the homogenous society/isolation effect on us, than it does any diabolic behavior that they are often collectively made out to have, or potential negative connotations in the root meanings of their language.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point. I've seen that before when the conversation was actually
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chronicpride



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One time, I saw some GI's get on at Samgakji station and some Korean schoolgirls were fascinated by them and said innocently to each other, �� �̱������� �ܱ���ó�� ����;�. And one of the GIs looked over at her and uttered a poorly pronounced Korean swear. I can't imagine the feelings of the poor girl who, up until that moment, held foreigners and living abroad, in such a positive regard. Sad
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katydid



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, so there's gaijin the Japanese word for foreigner.
There's farang the Thai word for foreigner.
There's gweilo the Chinese word for foreigner.
There's weigugin the Korean word for foreigner.

I am assuming that every other culture in Asia has a word to distinguish themselves from those unlike themself. I wonder, are their words like this in African languages, maybe even European ones? I'm just finding it hard to picture someone saying "That person isn't Greek" in a way meaning that the person is on the outside looking in, like there's the Greek then everyone else, and not just a visitor or what have you.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember overhearing a conversation at work a while ago and hearing �ܱ� blah-blah, I turned to the translator to find out what horrible vicious lies they were telling about me, when she explained they were talking about an foreign data interface.
Paranoia.
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I mean "waegookin" is as far as I'm concerned a neutral term and certainly the particle "waegook" is used as a prefix, so to speak, for anything not domestic. I wonder if some of the confusion doesn't come from a lot of people thinking that "waegook" itself (without the "in") means "foreigner".
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chronicpride



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogbert wrote:
I wonder if some of the confusion doesn't come from a lot of people thinking that "waegook" itself (without the "in") means "foreigner".


Given the amount of posters that refer to themselves and other expats as 'waegooks', I'd say that there is a ton of confusion and misunderstanding on this point. I actually find it noteworthy whenever I see someone actually write 'waegookin' in a post.
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chronicpride wrote:
turtlepi1 wrote:


Gaijin - Japanese Term for Foreigners
Gaijin is a Japanese term for foreigners, often considered insulting or demeaning.



Good example. Gaijin is widely used over there, like �ܱ��� is over here. Some of Japanese boards like Gaijinpot, do sometimes complain about the use of the word in the culture, but the expat sensitivity towards �ܱ��� in Korea, is way over-the-top, IMO.


Actually it's a bit different. In Japanese, the word for foreigner is "gaikokujin", which has the exact same meaning (character-by character) as "waegook-in". The reason why "gaijin" is often considered demeaning is not because it means foreigner, but because it is an abbreviation of the word foreigner (gaikokujin). So in a sense, calling a "gaikokujin" a "gaijin" is technically similar to calling a Japanese person a "Jap."

So the Korean word "waegook-in" is not offensive in the same way because it is not an abbreviation, just as the word "gaikokujin" is not offensive like "gaijin" is.
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chronicpride



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see. Well, anyways, I think western folk naturally don't like being lumped into a label. Remember how pissed off so many people got over the 'Gen-X' label? Then the razzing that the 'metrosexual' inventor got? It makes us feel less unique.
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itaewonguy



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

in Italian we call foreigners. stranieri meaning strangers - foreigners
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Sage Monkey



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One feeling I have had in Korea, including Seoul, is like going into a strange small town, being an unknown element. It's like in the movies where some guy straggles into a local bar, and all the regular locals regard him with suspicion as they don't know if he's a troulemaker or not.

I actually had this feeling in my home province before. Me and my buddy went to a small town an hour or so away from our hometown. The locals in the bar, who looked like regulars, didn't exactly smile or greet us warmly, though I'm sure most likely they were all fine folks.

An even worse feeling sometimes is the feeling that you accidentally wandered into a stranger's house. Staying in a big apartment building or visiting one can evoke this feeling, especially if they rarely see foreigners around the building, or you might be the only one.
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Sage Monkey



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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