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Godzilla
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Japan cannot be trusted with their own history? Too true. But don't pretend the Koreans, Chinese, Thais can either. It's all revisionist bu****it in this part of the world.
The Japanese have been the biggest recent aggressors in relatively recent years and as such get the most amount of c**p written about them. Korean bu****it is of a more palatable kind, re: the wonderful Chosun era, and as such no one really bats an eyelid at it. Of course the Japs could be brutal... as my grandfather, a Chindit and veteren of the Burmese Campaign bore testimony to, but so were the Korean soldiers in the Imperial Army.
Daechidong Waygookin,Skimilk and Hari Seldon... be a bit more open minded when you here this s**t. And for Christ sake don't use utterly biased materials when it comes to backing up your 'proof'. I just think, 'gone native' when I here non-Koreans going on about this kind of stuff. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:36 am Post subject: |
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Which country do you suppose has the best and most acurate textbooks on Korean history? I would say that Korea, Japan and China are way too interested in their own version of history to care much about facts, southern asian nations weren't developed enough to send in their own people to check the facts, European nations and the US were too far away...so I suspect that Russia might have the most accurate textbook. Close enough to know what went on, but not involved enough to care. That's my gut feeling anyway, but since I can't read a Russian textbook I'm not sure.
Who here knows Russian? |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| Although, any Russian texts between 1917 and 1990 would inevitably blame the 'evils of US capitalist imperialism for Korea's ills. Hardly likely to be very objective. |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Japan cannot be trusted with their own history? Too true. But don't pretend the Koreans, Chinese, Thais can either. It's all revisionist bu****it in this part of the world.
The Japanese have been the biggest recent aggressors in relatively recent years and as such get the most amount of c**p written about them. Korean bu****it is of a more palatable kind, re: the wonderful Chosun era, and as such no one really bats an eyelid at it. Of course the Japs could be brutal... as my grandfather, a Chindit and veteren of the Burmese Campaign bore testimony to, but so were the Korean soldiers in the Imperial Army. |
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. Very well put Godzilla. Careful though, with a name like Godzilla, the Korean apologists and amateur (that's putting it nicely) historians will accuse you of some horrible war crimes. Next thing you know, they'll claim you massacred innocent Korean civilians under the occupation.  |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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skimilk
Joined: 18 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Godzilla wrote: |
| Daechidong Waygookin,Skimilk and Hari Seldon... be a bit more open minded when you here this s**t. And for Christ sake don't use utterly biased materials when it comes to backing up your 'proof'. I just think, 'gone native' when I here non-Koreans going on about this kind of stuff. |
First of all, I'm not Korean and haven't spent all that much time in Korea. Second of all, I'm not sure how you can call books written by two of the best-known Korean historians (Carter Eckert and Edward Wagner) "utterly biased." Please let me know what "unbaised" sources are available to us other than some vague internet website, such as a book written by a professor of Korean studies somewhere. Last of all, go study more English. It's "hear" not "here." It makes me shudder to think that kids over there learn English from people like you.
Gord, are you saying that these historians would write something untrue simply because Korean government funds these courses? That's a total, complete insult to these scholars. But then again, the insult doesn't hold a whole lot of weight when it's coming from some guy who probably graduated from no-name college and has no particular skills or knowledge other than being able to speak one's native language. |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| skimilk wrote: |
| Godzilla wrote: |
| Daechidong Waygookin,Skimilk and Hari Seldon... be a bit more open minded when you here this s**t. And for Christ sake don't use utterly biased materials when it comes to backing up your 'proof'. I just think, 'gone native' when I here non-Koreans going on about this kind of stuff. |
First of all, I'm not Korean and haven't spent all that much time in Korea. Second of all, I'm not sure how you can call books written by two of the best-known Korean historians (Carter Eckert and Edward Wagner) "utterly biased." Please let me know what "unbaised" sources are available to us other than some vague internet website, such as a book written by a professor of Korean studies somewhere. Last of all, go study more English. It's "hear" not "here." It makes me shudder to think that kids over there learn English from people like you.
Gord, are you saying that these historians would write something untrue simply because Korean government funds these courses? That's a total, complete insult to these scholars. But then again, the insult doesn't hold a whole lot of weight when it's coming from some guy who probably graduated from no-name college and has no particular skills or knowledge other than being able to speak one's native language. |
Every Korean source is biased.
Every Japanese source is objective.
Gord's rules of debate. |
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skimilk
Joined: 18 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, my source was actually a book written by Carter Eckert, Michael Wagner, et al. Both of them were American. But I get what you're saying. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Your new "source" no longer supports the angry mob with guns theory, killed only three women, that there no guards, and that they not only had time to molest her but to burn the body to an ash state, pick up the ash and then toss it around.
Do you honesly believe that this story could be true?
Never mind the part about there being no guards, let's focus on some science today, burning a body to ash.
A cremation facility in North America will burn a body at no less than 1800 degress, and even then that will take a minimum of an hour to ash a body. An you are honestly suggesting that they had the time to ash a body in a much lower burning open fire where the heat generated by the fuel radiates away in all directions? That's insane. Assuming the moment that they did use kerosene to get the job done, it would have taken more hours to get the job done than there are hours in a night (and kerosene usage is the most popular story claimed) and needed some serious amount of kerosene (hundreds of liters constantly applied). Your science does not compute!
Thus your new story can not possibly be true. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:19 am Post subject: |
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Every Korean source is biased.
Every Japanese source is objective.
Gord's rules of debate. |
You're still here, Pedo? Chipping in your token insults when you think it's safe? I see you've given up trying to make any claims since you must be tired of having your ass handed to you.
Care less about the source and more if the claim can survive any sort of cross-checking. Most of the claims about "Japan is evil!" were made in a vacuum and were never intended to survive any sort of cross-checking because it wasn't expected that it would be cross checked. They were made when overseas phone calls were not permitted by commoners, and overseas travel for pleasure was prohibited. It wasn't until the 1980s that Koreans could leave the country or freely phone anywhere.
Though I do freely admit that believing everything one is told is a much easier way to live. |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
Every Korean source is biased.
Every Japanese source is objective.
Gord's rules of debate. |
You're still here, Pedo? Chipping in your token insults when you think it's safe? I see you've given up trying to make any claims since you must be tired of having your ass handed to you.
Care less about the source and more if the claim can survive any sort of cross-checking. Most of the claims about "Japan is evil!" were made in a vacuum and were never intended to survive any sort of cross-checking because it wasn't expected that it would be cross checked. They were made when overseas phone calls were not permitted by commoners, and overseas travel for pleasure was prohibited. It wasn't until the 1980s that Koreans could leave the country or freely phone anywhere.
Though I do freely admit that believing everything one is told is a much easier way to live. |
Gordo, back from reading porn I see. Did you read any of your favorite Japanese rape porn? Or perhaps you were sniffing panties from Japanese schoolgirls baldy.
The fact is your whole position stinks of pro-Japanese bias. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| Gord, are you saying that these historians would write something untrue simply because Korean government funds these courses? |
I'm saying that they are simply repeating the claims made by others without sufficient fact checking. You'll note that my replies focus on why it is improbable to impossible something happened rather than simply nay-saying the event. Take today's "burn the queen's body to ash" discussion. I don't simply say that it wasn't done, rather I say it is impossible by science to have been done as described.
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| That's a total, complete insult to these scholars. |
I've insulted many people over the years. My CompSci teacher in university claimed that a fiber-optic cable carried a maximum of 4.5MB a second, that a 24-pin printer had 24 pins in a solid line, and that memory lost it's capacity when power is removed. I wouldn't qualify my corrections of these claims polite, but they were absolute when I brought in outside documentation showing his claims were false.
And who hasn't wrote a book?
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| But then again, the insult doesn't hold a whole lot of weight when it's coming from some guy who probably graduated from no-name college and has no particular skills or knowledge other than being able to speak one's native language. |
I freely admit that I graduated from a no-name university, though I would cite that my skills and knowledge in the world of computers and business are quite high. I've worked for IBM before deciding to enter the more interesting world of commerce, and during my time in Korea I've used both talents quite well. I've helped to improve efficiency at a tech factory, I've contributed the free trade zone, I've written speeches given by government officials with much of it translated into Korean because they were well liked, I've edited and presented a stock prospectus to multi-billion dollar companies which resulted in contracts worth millions of dollars, I've written essays on the video game industry and it's growth which have been read millions of times and cited in several trade magazines and have generated multiple job offerings including one with Microsoft here in Korea. I have trademarks, copyrights, and patents which I do not enforce as I want to share all that I have done with others. And these days, I take time out of my schedule and spend many of my dollars with the sole intent of trying to share my knowledge with others as a hobby.
I have achieved personal wealth satisfaction, achieved fame, and met my goals in life. I stick around in Korea because I can do interesting things and meet pretty girls, any of whom are pretty bright.
Now what we've seen my bio, what does yours look like? What great events have you done? Throw your cards down and let's see what the great "Skimilk" has done in his life. Fame? Fortune? Shared your mighty wisdom with others? We're all curious, especially after you've suggested that my life has been a waste and I thought it was going pretty damn well. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
| Gordo, back from reading porn I see. Did you read any of your favorite Japanese rape porn? Or perhaps you were sniffing panties from Japanese schoolgirls baldy. |
Your insult is neither interesting nor stinging. And these qualities have not improved despite your using the same lines over and over.
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| The fact is your whole position stinks of pro-Japanese bias. |
If you are unhappy with my stated position, counter it with facts and logic. Things like "burned the body to ash", "there were no guards", and "people who watch porn I disagree is evidence that their unrelated forefathers were rapists" only undermine your claims of being a bright individual.
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Gordo, back from reading porn I see. Did you read any of your favorite Japanese rape porn? Or perhaps you were sniffing panties from Japanese schoolgirls baldy. |
Dude, if you are so secure in your position, there is no need for this kind of post, right? |
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Daechidong Waygookin
Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| Daechidong Waygookin wrote: |
Gordo, back from reading porn I see. Did you read any of your favorite Japanese rape porn? Or perhaps you were sniffing panties from Japanese schoolgirls baldy. |
Dude, if you are so secure in your position, there is no need for this kind of post, right? |
There is. Gord started this little exchange with his accussations. This is a little tit for tat. Im happy to continue this exchange if Gordo wants to, just as Im happy to stop of Gordo stops. |
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