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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:30 am Post subject: |
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It never ceases to amaze me when I read about the complaints some people have about this country and its policies when they make a good living here and came here of their own free will to work here, for whatever reason.
This thread is centered in griping about the fact that only Korean citizens are allowed to redeem points or participate in promotional programs that are offered in their own country - Korea. I've seen some of you counter this with the white people - no coloreds ideas from the U.S. from 50 or more years ago, or indians in Canada from 30 years ago.
However, it is still happening in Canada and the U.S. today. How many promotional offers are available out there that are "Only open to U.S. residents"? Or "Only open to residents of Canada, excluding Quebec"?
Truly, I've seen contests that have that exact wording. In fact, I remember several times gnashing my teeth when I watched "Who Wants to be a Millionnaire" because I knew...KNEW!...I could have won at least to the 125,000 dollar level fairly consistently, but I couldn't enter because I wasn't a U.S. citizen. Should I have written to my M.P. asking them to help me boycott American products because I couldn't enter a gameshow?
Truthfully, I don't believe any of us notice this when it happens in our country because we aren't affected, but do you think people without permanent resident status in our home country spend time worrying about writing to their country's representative to protest it? Maybe we should do more for those poor phillipino nannies in Canada who can't get enter the "Roll Up The Rim" contest for anything more than a free donut or coffee. And before any of you say that at least they get free small items in those same contests, so do we here. I've had so many free McDonalds coupons here I could waddle.
If you really Really REALLY want your Lotteria points, it is quite simple. Become a permanent resident, get a citizen's card, and then go for it. But if this country isn't worth that to you, then accept that, as itinerant workers we will never be given all of the considerations that contributing citizens get. It may seem unjust to us, but it's no different to the itinerant workers residing in the U.S. and Canada (and, although I suspect in all other countries, I have no direct knowledge of them).
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:43 am Post subject: |
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Drew, you want your answer? So many Americans act like complete freakin assholes when they are here, and they are so pervasive in Seoul. And what area were you in? Itaewon?
The only time I experience anything remotely resembling hostility is when I'm in Seoul, and it's not hard to see why. I watch other white people walking around and I'm often ashamed to be grouped with them. Where I live, just outside Daejon, I'm practically treated like royalty because there aren't any retarded honkeys acting foolish and disrespectful.
Also, hey man, are you a fan of capitalism and freedom of trade? Can't a business refuse service if they want? It's the owner's right, and I believe Dunkin Donuts is a franchise, as well, which will probably make complaints to the corporate headquarters somewhat futile.
Derrek's idea was funny, but that only perpetuates the Seoul stereotype. Go with Mith's idea next time - make a scene, but be calm about it. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Drew, you want your answer? So many Americans act like complete freakin assholes when they are here, and they are so pervasive in Seoul. And what area were you in? Itaewon?
The only time I experience anything remotely resembling hostility is when I'm in Seoul, and it's not hard to see why. I watch other white people walking around and I'm often ashamed to be grouped with them. Where I live, just outside Daejon, I'm practically treated like royalty because there aren't any retarded honkeys acting foolish and disrespectful.
Also, hey man, are you a fan of capitalism and freedom of trade? Can't a business refuse service if they want? It's the owner's right, and I believe Dunkin Donuts is a franchise, as well, which will probably make complaints to the corporate headquarters somewhat futile.
Derrek's idea was funny, but that only perpetuates the Seoul stereotype. Go with Mith's idea next time - make a scene, but be calm about it. |
Andrew's location says BUSAN.. and he started out the thread about it being in his local neighborhood - so obviously a local Busan neighborhood.
4 paragraphs going off on how Seoul people suck!
I can assume two things.. you ONLY go to Itaewon and hang around 18-year-old GI's fresh out of High School and assume that ALL white people everywhere in Seoul are all the same regardless of age, profession, nationality, their interests, their hangouts, etc.
Next time you go to Seoul, go somewhere else and you can gain a different perception of Seoul and the foreigners who call it home.
But this thread is based in Busan (not Seoul's Itaewon and the bars you frequent there).. |
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darrin312

Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Location: Kyopoville
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| How many promotional offers are available out there that are "Only open to U.S. residents"? |
Hello skippy- newsflash! Anyone in the US on a valid work visa can be considered a "U.S. resident". The wording you so frequently hear is "open to all legal U.S. residents" - not tourists, not illegal aliens, but legal residents. This does not mean "citizens"
So Kim KaySeki, in the US on a work visa, has exactly the same right as Joe Allamericanwhitebread to win that new car on Z100 FM!
signal to noise! |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| Qinella wrote: |
Drew, you want your answer? So many Americans act like complete freakin assholes when they are here, and they are so pervasive in Seoul. And what area were you in? Itaewon?
The only time I experience anything remotely resembling hostility is when I'm in Seoul, and it's not hard to see why. I watch other white people walking around and I'm often ashamed to be grouped with them. Where I live, just outside Daejon, I'm practically treated like royalty because there aren't any retarded honkeys acting foolish and disrespectful.
Also, hey man, are you a fan of capitalism and freedom of trade? Can't a business refuse service if they want? It's the owner's right, and I believe Dunkin Donuts is a franchise, as well, which will probably make complaints to the corporate headquarters somewhat futile.
Derrek's idea was funny, but that only perpetuates the Seoul stereotype. Go with Mith's idea next time - make a scene, but be calm about it. |
Andrew's location says BUSAN.. and he started out the thread about it being in his local neighborhood - so obviously a local Busan neighborhood.
4 paragraphs going off on how Seoul people suck!
I can assume two things.. you ONLY go to Itaewon and hang around 18-year-old GI's fresh out of High School and assume that ALL white people everywhere in Seoul are all the same regardless of age, profession, nationality, their interests, their hangouts, etc.
Next time you go to Seoul, go somewhere else and you can gain a different perception of Seoul and the foreigners who call it home.
But this thread is based in Busan (not Seoul's Itaewon and the bars you frequent there).. |
Someone isn't perceptive. |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| darrin312 wrote: |
| ThePoet wrote: |
| How many promotional offers are available out there that are "Only open to U.S. residents"? |
Hello skippy- newsflash! Anyone in the US on a valid work visa can be considered a "U.S. resident". The wording you so frequently hear is "open to all legal U.S. residents" - not tourists, not illegal aliens, but legal residents. This does not mean "citizens"
So Kim KaySeki, in the US on a work visa, has exactly the same right as Joe Allamericanwhitebread to win that new car on Z100 FM!
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Hi yourself Gilligan,
I also mentioned Permanent residents, not JUST citizens. And perhaps this is not true in the U.S., but in Canada, permanent residency requires an application process that can take up to two years and requires the person to live in Canada, with only minimal time for vacations away while the residency is being considered. Work Visa's are a different kettle of fish, and do not qualify the person for permanent residency. Interestingly enough, in the States, Canada, and even in Korea, a foreigner can win the state run lotteries...its simply the privately run programs and companies that take on the ideas of residents.
Signal to noise??? You bet! |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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write a letter to the Dunkin donuts of korea..tell them your story!
and also tell them you will be writing a letter to the English Newspapers in korea so all foreigners, international businessmen and foreigners living in Korea can see how businesses treat foreigners in Korea.
and whats even more absurd is the very business in question is an American COMPANY!!! AND the koreans who have the rights in korea of the business refuse to treat Americans equally as korean..
I feel the world needs to know how koreans who are given company francise rights abuse it once they get it! and are tarnishing the imagine that Americans spent YEARS and millions to build...
Its an American company!! refusing to offer Americans deals!
you dont see starbucks or baskin robbins doing this!
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| Qinella wrote: |
Drew, you want your answer? So many Americans act like complete freakin assholes when they are here, and they are so pervasive in Seoul. And what area were you in? Itaewon?
The only time I experience anything remotely resembling hostility is when I'm in Seoul, and it's not hard to see why. I watch other white people walking around and I'm often ashamed to be grouped with them. Where I live, just outside Daejon, I'm practically treated like royalty because there aren't any retarded honkeys acting foolish and disrespectful.
Also, hey man, are you a fan of capitalism and freedom of trade? Can't a business refuse service if they want? It's the owner's right, and I believe Dunkin Donuts is a franchise, as well, which will probably make complaints to the corporate headquarters somewhat futile.
Derrek's idea was funny, but that only perpetuates the Seoul stereotype. Go with Mith's idea next time - make a scene, but be calm about it. |
Andrew's location says BUSAN.. and he started out the thread about it being in his local neighborhood - so obviously a local Busan neighborhood.
4 paragraphs going off on how Seoul people suck! |
Are you seriously an English teacher with those reading skills? Re-read, dude:
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| So many Americans act like complete freakin assholes when they are here, and they are so pervasive in Seoul |
Got a better grasp of the main idea yet?
I didn't look at his location, sue me. But are Americans not the same in Busan? I haven't been yet, but I have heard they are. Basically, anywhere there are a lot of Americans, there are Americans acting like douche bags. Even in America. Notice I mentioned that where I live, there are really no other foreigners, which is what I attribute to the friendly treatment I receive here as opposed to how I'm treated in a large city with idiot foreigners running amok (Seoul as the example).
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I can assume two things.. you ONLY go to Itaewon and hang around 18-year-old GI's fresh out of High School and assume that ALL white people everywhere in Seoul are all the same regardless of age, profession, nationality, their interests, their hangouts, etc.
Next time you go to Seoul, go somewhere else and you can gain a different perception of Seoul and the foreigners who call it home.
But this thread is based in Busan (not Seoul's Itaewon and the bars you frequent there).. |
I've been to Itaewon one time, dude.
I'm not looking to start some lame internet argument with a presumptive loudmouth who has a picture of a girl's ass for his avatar. I gave my opinion on how many Americans tend to act in Korea, as per my observations so far. You don't think the Dunkin Donuts owner has experienced his share of obnoxious, rude Americans? Way to think exponentially, Tiger Beer.
Sorry if you don't like my opinion. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, now I've seen everything. The day that Tiger Beer, of all people, posts something that gets himself labelled an internet loudmouth (presumptive or otherwise), then I know the old Guru's early retirement from Dave's has been delayed for far, far too long.
Either that or there's something really nasty in this season's Yellow Dust. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, now I've seen everything. The day that Tiger Beer, of all people, posts something that gets himself labelled an internet loudmouth (presumptive or otherwise), then I know the old Guru's early retirement from Dave's has been delayed for far, far too long.
Either that or there's something really nasty in this season's Yellow Dust. |
Sorry, I do not know people's personalities on here, and usually don't even look at names when I read posts. Are you saying I misjudged his character? His post to me was about as rude and unneccessary as possible. I asked Andrew if he was in Itaewon because that area has a large number of US establishments. Tiger Beer took that to mean I only hang out in Itaewon with GIs. That's presumptive and rude, imo.
In retrospect, I should have looked at Andrew's location, yes, but that's of little relevance to my intended point.
If TB disagrees with my hypothesis that Americans are sometimes treated unfairly because of the way many Americans often act in Korea, then he should argue that instead of mischaracterizing my post and using me as his mental punching bag. |
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nrvs

Joined: 30 Jun 2004 Location: standing upright on a curve
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:03 am Post subject: |
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Strange, Andrew.
I buy coffee at Dunkin' Donuts at least 3 times a week and the ladies at my local store are constantly trying to push the credit card-style points card on me. They know I'm American -- we've had halting conversations in Korean and English when there weren't customers waiting. I don't believe they'd be doing the hard sell if the points promotion were open to Koreans only. However, since it costs money to get a points card, I stick with the regular stamp cards. I go through one of those 2-3 times a month and I've never been refused my free coffee. |
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prairieboy
Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Location: The batcave.
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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I have the "happy point" card that is good at Paris baguette, Dunkin' Donuts, Cafe Pascucci, Baskin Robins and Paris Croissoint. I have never had any trouble using it or redeeming points (as long as you've got around 4,000 accumulated you can usually redeem them).
I did have trouble getting the card though. To sign up, the company prefers that you sign up online. This is impossible since you must have a valid Korean ID number to do so. You can call the help line and sign up that way. Of course you can only do that during weekdays (not nights or weekends) as the people who deal with foreigners accounts are only available then.
Maybe Mith should consider expanding the scope of his petition from internet to include bonus cards at shops and other similar items.
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, now I've seen everything. The day that Tiger Beer, of all people, posts something that gets himself labelled an internet loudmouth (presumptive or otherwise), then I know the old Guru's early retirement from Dave's has been delayed for far, far too long.
Either that or there's something really nasty in this season's Yellow Dust. |
Sorry, I do not know people's personalities on here, and usually don't even look at names when I read posts. Are you saying I misjudged his character? His post to me was about as rude and unneccessary as possible. I asked Andrew if he was in Itaewon because that area has a large number of US establishments. Tiger Beer took that to mean I only hang out in Itaewon with GIs. That's presumptive and rude, imo.
In retrospect, I should have looked at Andrew's location, yes, but that's of little relevance to my intended point.
If TB disagrees with my hypothesis that Americans are sometimes treated unfairly because of the way many Americans often act in Korea, then he should argue that instead of mischaracterizing my post and using me as his mental punching bag. |
I just highlighted the really funny part.
You just made ASSUMPTIONS about Americans with the supposed fact that they are all "retarded honkeys who act foolish and disrespectful".. and based on those assumptions, YES I will also assume that then you must ONLY hang around the younger GI crowd in Itaewon.
Go to another bar and meet businessmen or to a nice hotel disco.. or go to the universities and meet them studying Korean and other subjects. Go to a Korean university or institute and watch them teaching English respectfully. There are something like 10,000 Americans in Korea.. and you ASSUME ALL OF THEM are "retarded honkeys who act foolish and disrespectful". I can only assume you hang out in one place to come to that conclusion.. what else could I assume?
How about you tell me where you go when you are in Seoul? Maybe then I can understand how you came to your conclusions better.. |
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thorin

Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| You got a free plane ticket, a free apartment and now you want free donuts and kimchiburgers? I bet you're the kind of foreigner who never pays when you go out with Koreans. |
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