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IRA to abandon terrorism
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bigverne



Joined: 12 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An excellent article by Ali Hirsi Ali about Mohammed's legacy, and the need to question it.

At the core of this fundamental challenge to the west lies a pre-medieval figure to whom the London terrorists�along with all faithful Muslims in our modern world�look for guidance: Muhammad. All faithful Muslims believe that they must emulate this man, in principle and practical matters, under all circumstances. When trying to understand Islamic terrorism, most politicians and other commentators have avoided the core issue, which is Muhammad�s example.

It is apparent on reading the Koran and the traditional writings that Muhammad�s life not only provides rules for the daily lives of Muslims; it also demonstrates the means by which his values can be imposed. Muhammad himself constructed the House of Islam using military tactics that included mass killing, torture, targeted assassination, lying and the indiscriminate destruction of productive goods. This may be embarrassing to moderate Muslims, but the propaganda produced by modern terrorists constantly quotes Muhammad�s deeds and edicts to justify their actions and to call on other Muslims to support their cause.


http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=6994&category=&author=2299&AuthKey=101db99f2e2e77bef4c1ed56daf7fe6a
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rapier



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going back to the IRA-
Surely a contributing factor to the recent declaration was that the IRA found faultering support in America -due to their alliance not only with the PLO, but a number of other terrorist organisations.PLO and Basque ETA members are regular attendees at Sinn Fein annual party conferences.

Three IRA men, two of them acknowledged Sinn Fein officials, were found to be training FARC terrorists in Colombia. Sinn fein issued statements strongly condemning Bush's war on terrorism, and called for Ireland to deny America the use of airspace or seaports. IRA booby traps were found in the west bank.

Sinn Fein/IRA newspaper An Phoblacht maintained an anti-american stance- saying that the 9/11 attacks were America's fault.

In opposing the U.S. war in Iraq, it editorialized: "We already know that George W. Bush is out of his mind, and that he is inclined to make difficulties worse instead of solving them. It seems likely that the Bush authority wants to keep the whole world under control, with the biggest bombs he has."

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skinhead



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a republican, I'd just like to say, a rabid dog doesn't heal itself when it gets it's kennel back.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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... it was only sixty years ago that millions of jews, gypsies, homosexuals, pacifists and russians were sent to the gas chambers in the heart of the european continent.

Everybody knew what was happening but no-one was prepared to challenge hitler or save large numbers of refugees from their fate by accepting them as refugees.


You are missiing the point.

Many in the mideast are mad at the US but they say nothing when other mideast regimes or elites do worse for far less justifible reasons.


The reason for Al Qaida is more cause of what the elties in the mideast do than what the US has done.


The fact is that Bin Laden, Khomeni and Saddam were killers of muslims not defenders of muslims. Their policies kill muslims and they have / had no business claiming to be defenders of muslims.

Anyone who ever bought the arguement that they are defenders of muslims is a fool or worse.





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... these are all isolated cases that are not indicative of a trend. Just cause someone spends mon and tue handing out bread to the poor, doesn't mean they can spend the rest of the week strong-arming citizens and still remain a friend of the community. If that was the case then the mafia would be role-models.


The US has been friendly too most of the muslim word for a long time.
That is the fact.

There are far more muslims that have been helped by the US than have been hurt by the US.



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... there's an interesting article on the subject here, which could explain better than I could I'm sure.

http://counterpunch.org/hallinan07142004.html




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Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem, certainly had no illusions about what a "Jewish homeland" in Palestine meant for the British Empire: "It will form for England," he said, "a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism."

Ireland was where the English invented the tactic of divide and conquer, and where the devastating effectiveness of using foreign settlers to drive a wedge between the colonial rulers and the colonized made it a template for worldwide imperial rule.

The Protestant privileges were a constant sore point with the native Irish; although in fact, most Protestants were little better off than their Catholic neighbors. Rents were uniformly onerous, regardless of religion.

Indeed, there were numerous cases where Protestants and Catholics united to protest exorbitant rents, but in virtually every case, the authorities successfully used religion and privilege to split such alliances. The Orange Order, the organization most responsible for sectarian politics in the North today, was originally formed in 1795 to break a Catholic-Protestant rent strike.

Divide and conquer was 19th and early 20th century colonialism's single most successful tactic of domination. It was also a disaster, one which still echoes in civil wars and regional tensions across the globe. This latter lesson does not appear to be one the Israelis have paid much attention to. As a system of rule, division and privilege may work in the short run, but over time it engenders nothing but hatred. These polices, according to Lt. Gen. Moshe Yaalon, foment "terror," adding, "In tactical decisions, we are operating contrary to our strategic interests."

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I still don't see any divide and conquer policy.
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