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Red
Joined: 05 Jul 2004
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| Thats the way a dog should live. People that kill dogs should be aware that dogs are fully cognizant of the fact that they are to be killed. |
So are most people. Yet we all die and get eaten anyway. As the old saying goes: "Your family is made of meat" |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:39 am Post subject: |
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Speaking of cruelty to animals, follow the link for a laugh:
http://www.savetoby.com/
I posted about this yesterday on Off-Topic but nobody looked at it. Seriously I almost shat myself laughing. |
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hack
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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I can't believe the comments here that dog eating is quite rare. I often hear my students talking about how their family eats dog during the hot summer days. I know of 5 boisatang restaurants around here. And that's without even looking. Koreans love to eat dog but they know how westerners look down on it so deny whenever we are around.
Damm maybe that's why they are called the dog days of summer. |
Where the hell have you been the last two years man? Always wondered what happened to you...
To the OP:
I keep telling you guys, humans can NOT be trusted. Not in Korea, not in any country. |
I got tired of my posts or topics being deleted by the prissy mods here. Someone told me it was better now so I thought Id take another shot at it but alas, posted a thread last nite that got a lot of action and dialogue and then I get up this morning and it's gone. But hey, it's Dave's board and he can do what he wants and if you have ever met the guy, you understand his ego. Let's see how long this lasts. Who cares? Too many Koreans here posting as Westerners anway. |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| hack wrote: |
| Too many Koreans here posting as Westerners anway. |
Interesting claim. Can you back it up? How about a list of people you know or suspect are really Koreans? Gyopos? I'm always up for a good sockhunt. |
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red dog
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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i have the same difficulty. no - i am certainly not an apologist.
i am just pointing out that animal rights is a world-wide issue. i am a veterinarian and have worked in animal welfare much of my life. i am disgusted by the way animals are treated all over the planet, and especially in asia. korea does not stand out as any worse than, for instance, india or thailand. china is perhaps the worst of all!
the west is not great either but at least we have legislation and an attempt is made (often by undrefunded bodies - for which i have worked) to enforce it.
actually i have spoken to many koreans about animal cruelty and most of them think that animals are just automata, oblivious to pain or suffering. |
Really? That hasn't been my experience, overall, although I certainly don't claim to have studied people's attitudes in a scientific way. What age groups have you talked to? Don't you think younger people in Korea are more animal-friendly than those of previous generations? Unfortunately, the people who hold financial and political power here don't seem to be representative of the general population. (Then again, maybe that's the case everywhere.)
There does seem to be less awareness here, and the media are so bad I don't even want to talk about them, but most of the individual Koreans I've talked to seem pretty sympathetic to animal welfare concerns (if they've had a chance to learn about them). Of course there are others who don't take the issues seriously at all, but a quick look at this thread shows that such an attitude is not exclusively Korean.
As far as regulating animal exploitation is concerned, I have a lot of mixed feelings about it. This is just where I am now: I think it's one thing to push for increased regulation of industries that are already regulated -- and that are so entrenched in the economy there's no way they're going to be shut down any time soon -- and to legitimize an industry that is still relatively small and not supported by the majority of Koreans. I don't think dogs are inherently more deserving of compassion than chickens, humans, or any other group of animals, but even so ... there may be perfectly good reasons to adopt a different approach based on practical considerations. |
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bijjy
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you should be able to kill what you eat. If you can beat a dog to death without having someone else do it for you, then go ahead and eat bosin-tang. Just don't do it around me, and know that I will think of you a little less highly. |
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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Why is it that you apologists counter every argument with, "well, such and such happens back home". I'm not talking about pigs or sheep back home. Focus. I'm talking about the barbaric way in which those dogs were be trasported and the sadistic and evil way in which they are killed. Do you have a learning disability? Comprehension problems? Honestly, I don't know how you can defend a people that regard you as less than equal and view you as an oddity. You do realize that they distrust you and that you will never be included in their version of "society".
As far as going home...nah...I'm having too much fun here. Nice, easy job. I'll go home when I'm good and ready. By then, I'll have enough saved up to start my business back home while you are still over here working in the haggie and getting dong-chimed by the kiddies. Then again, I suppose that is acceptable behavior to you..............KFD |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Why is it that you apologists counter every argument with, "well, such and such happens back home". I'm not talking about pigs or sheep back home. Focus. I'm talking about the barbaric way in which those dogs were be trasported and the sadistic and evil way in which they are killed. Do you have a learning disability? Comprehension problems? Honestly, I don't know how you can defend a people that regard you as less than equal and view you as an oddity. You do realize that they distrust you and that you will never be included in their version of "society".
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The first sentence or two of that has a bit of merit, but then, in the same paragraph, as though your opinions on dogs and Korea are one and the same issue, you bash Korea and it's so-called xenophobia.
Dullard, do yourself and everyone else a favour: disconnect your computer from the Internet. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Wishmaster wrote: |
Why is it that you apologists counter every argument with, "well, such and such happens back home". I'm not talking about pigs or sheep back home. Focus. I'm talking about the barbaric way in which those dogs were be trasported and the sadistic and evil way in which they are killed. Do you have a learning disability? Comprehension problems? Honestly, I don't know how you can defend a people that regard you as less than equal and view you as an oddity. You do realize that they distrust you and that you will never be included in their version of "society".
As far as going home...nah...I'm having too much fun here. Nice, easy job. I'll go home when I'm good and ready. By then, I'll have enough saved up to start my business back home while you are still over here working in the haggie and getting dong-chimed by the kiddies. Then again, I suppose that is acceptable behavior to you..............KFD |
Why is it that you whiners only focus on Korea as having these problems? FOCUS: I am talking about the barbaric way the pigs and sheep are transported back home. Unless you have made a concerted effort to remedy the situation back home, then this exposes you as a blatent hypocrite.
As for working in the haggie, nah I work in a public school and my kids respect me. No surprise though that you seem to have a lot of experience working in haggies and being dong-chimed as you seem to know all about it. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you should be able to kill what you eat. If you can beat a dog to death without having someone else do it for you, then go ahead and eat bosin-tang. Just don't do it around me, and know that I will think of you a little less highly. |
Relax and remember that this is the Internet. No one really cares about what some guy thinks or doesn't think. |
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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Always love to resurrect these little jousts. Oh, Urban Myth, you must be one deluded mofo. I must admit that I have such admiration for such a success story. You actually work at a PUBLIC SCHOOL in SOUTH KOREA!!!!!!!!! Man, that is the pinnacle of life...you've accomplished so much and I'll bet that your parents are quite proud of you. You must be making so much money there and living a much greater life than those poor hagwon teachers that I'll bet your students hail you as the next Donny Trump. Seriously, dude, public schools? I mean, those jobs are a dime a dozen and not particularly hard to get. Oh, and I'm sure that those 40 plus "angels" in your class must await your sterling English lessons with breathless anticipation. Yes, life is utopic as a public school. Large classes are easily controlled...you don't have to grade tests, write student evals...you don't have to get up early in the morning. Isn't that right, Urban Mythos? Life is just great working at a public school........I know because I've done it over here in Korea...and left it. Now, I work in a dead easy place with absolutely zero stress and I would wager that I take home more than you but I won't brag...I'll just let you live in public school utopia. |
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Wishmaster
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
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Spinoza and Urban Myth...you guys must have no life judging from your massive number of posts. I mean, I can picture you as these bald guys hunched over your computers eagerly responding to my missive masterpieces. Don't worry...you won't hear from me for awhile because I actually have a life here. But I'll resurrect this post again in the future to give my rebuttal...later.  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| Wishmaster wrote: |
| Always love to resurrect these little jousts. Oh, Urban Myth, you must be one deluded mofo. I must admit that I have such admiration for such a success story. You actually work at a PUBLIC SCHOOL in SOUTH KOREA!!!!!!!!! Man, that is the pinnacle of life...you've accomplished so much and I'll bet that your parents are quite proud of you. You must be making so much money there and living a much greater life than those poor hagwon teachers that I'll bet your students hail you as the next Donny Trump. Seriously, dude, public schools? I mean, those jobs are a dime a dozen and not particularly hard to get. Oh, and I'm sure that those 40 plus "angels" in your class must await your sterling English lessons with breathless anticipation. Yes, life is utopic as a public school. Large classes are easily controlled...you don't have to grade tests, write student evals...you don't have to get up early in the morning. Isn't that right, Urban Mythos? Life is just great working at a public school........I know because I've done it over here in Korea...and left it. Now, I work in a dead easy place with absolutely zero stress and I would wager that I take home more than you but I won't brag...I'll just let you live in public school utopia. |
Seriously pal, where do you get all this stuff about what I think about a public school? I said and I quote "Nah, I work in a public school and my kids respect me." And you get all of the above from that? Sounds like you are projecting your own insecurities here onto me. Dude relax. Simply because your parents are disappointed in you does not mean other peoples parents are. As for "large classes easily controlled....you don't have to grade tests, write students evals.... you don't have to get up early in the morning. Isn't that right Urban Mythos?"
Don't know who this Urban Mythos is I can only speak for myself. Whether my classes are large or not they are easily controllable.Because you can not control large classes, you assume everyone has the same difficulty? And no, I do not have to grade tests or write student evals...I just have to teach. In fact we were told at orientation NOT to test the students. As for getting up early in the morning...well you got me there. I guess that one point invalidates all of the above.
I find it amusing though, that having lost the argument, you now resort to childish taunts and remarks. Personal attacks do not bolster your argument, not that you had much of one in the first place. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| Spinoza and Urban Myth...you guys must have no life judging from your massive number of posts.: |
See that's what happens when you work at a public school. 13 hours of teaching per WEEK, gives you a LOT of time to respond to inane banal posts, like the ones I am responding to now. |
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paperbag princess
Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: veggie hell
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| ok, so back to the original topic, i think it's sad to see animals that way. eastern asian cultures, in general don't respect most animals. yes, in the west they are perfect, but beating an animal to death would be considered unacceptable. |
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