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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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PHOENIX, Arizona (AP) -- Thousands of people across the country protested Friday against legislation cracking down on illegal immigrants, with demonstrators in Phoenix, Los Angeles, California, and Atlanta, Georgia, staging school walkouts, marches and work stoppages.
Congress is considering bills that would make it a felony to be illegally in the United States, impose new penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants and erect fences along one-third of the U.S.-Mexican border. The proposals have angered many Hispanics.
The Los Angeles demonstration led to fights between black and Hispanic students at one high school, but the protests were largely peaceful, authorities said.
Chantal Mason, a sophomore at George Washington Preparatory High, said black students jumped Hispanic students as they left classes to protest a bill passed the House in December that would make it a felony to be in the U.S. illegally.
"It was horrible, horrible," Mason said. "It's ridiculous that a bunch of black students would jump on Latinos like that, knowing they're trying to get their freedom"... |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/24/immigration.protest.ap/index.html
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:15 am Post subject: |
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PHOENIX, Arizona (AP) -- Thousands of people across the country protested Friday against legislation cracking down on illegal immigrants, with demonstrators in Phoenix, Los Angeles, California, and Atlanta, Georgia, staging school walkouts, marches and work stoppages.
Congress is considering bills that would make it a felony to be illegally in the United States, impose new penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants and erect fences along one-third of the U.S.-Mexican border. The proposals have angered many Hispanics. |
A boisterous "illegal" population = more of a competitive edge vs. slave CHINESE "labour", INDIA et al.
Think of it a LEVEL-PLAYING FIELD 
Considering legislation that WOULD make it a felony to reside in US "illegally". Isn't that entirely redundant? Don't millions ALREADY live in the US illegally?
I wonder how many are "angry" because they're guilty of breaking laws which for the reason mentioned above re: CHINA et al doesn't exactly seem to be enforced?
C'mon people. Get your paperwork in order & start paying your taxes.
Guest Worker Programs Are a Tough Sell
By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Proponents of a guest worker program to address the chaos of illegal immigration have a hard sell in front of them. Similar programs in the past have been plagued by abuses and have done little to stem the influx of undocumented workers.
"These programs are seductive, and that is what is so troubling to us right now," said Ana Avendano, associate general counsel of the AFL-CIO. The labor federation has been critical of guest worker programs in proposed immigration reform legislation that the Senate will debate next week.
President Bush urged Congress two years ago to write new immigration law with a guest worker program that could provide legal status, but not a road to citizenship, for some of the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country.
The hottest debate in the Senate will be whether to pass some version of a guest worker program proposed by Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Edward Kennedy, D-Mass. The bill by McCain, a contender for the 2008 GOP presidential nomination, and Kennedy would provide up to 400,000 visas in the first year and allow participants, after six years, to seek permanent residency.
Their proposal, strongly backed by the business community, would supplement existing temporary worker programs, such as the H-2A program that brings about 45,000 agriculture workers into the country every year, and H-1B visas issued to up to 65,000 high-tech and other skilled foreign workers.
It also would build on a near-century old tradition of turning to foreign unskilled laborers, mainly from Mexico, in response to labor shortages, often during times of war.
"Its historic role has been as a national emergency program," Cornell University economist Vernon Briggs wrote in a 2004 paper. "They are extraordinary policies to be used as a last resort — and then only as temporary measures." 
In 1917, during World War I, an agreement was reached with Mexico to let in unskilled workers. During the program's five-year life span, 77,000 Mexicans were admitted but fewer than half returned to Mexico. "The program spawned illegal immigration," Briggs said.
A much larger exchange, the Bracero program, began in 1942, during World War II, and continued in varying forms through 1964. Some 4.6 million Mexicans came to the United States, with a peak of 439,000 in 1959.
The program stipulated that guest workers were to get free housing, medical treatment, transportation and prevailing wages. The reality was often different.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060325/ap_on_go_co/guest_workers |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:26 am Post subject: |
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A LOT of nastiness on this thread. Not sure I want to get in on that part of it, but the topic is an important one.
Immigration March Draws 500,000 in L.A. By PETER PRENGAMAN, Associated Press Writer
30 minutes ago
Immigration rights advocates more than 500,000 strong marched in downtown Los Angeles on Saturday, demanding that Congress abandon attempts to make illegal immigration a felony and to build more walls along the border.
The massive demonstration, by far the biggest of several around the nation in recent days, came as President Bush prodded Republican congressional leaders to give some illegal immigrants a chance to work legally in the U.S. under certain conditions...
Saturday's march was among the largest for any cause in recent U.S. history...
Other demonstrations drew 50,000 people in Denver and several thousand in Sacramento and Charlotte, N.C...
The U.S. House of Representatives has passed legislation that would make it a felony to be in the U.S. illegally, impose new penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants, require churches to check the legal status of people they help, and erect fences along one-third of the U.S.-Mexican border...
The Senate is to begin debating the proposals on Tuesday.
President Bush on Saturday called for legislation that does not force America to choose between being a welcoming society and a lawful one.
"America is a nation of immigrants, and we're also a nation of laws," Bush said in his weekly radio address, discussing an issue that had driven a wedge into his own party.
Bush sides with business leaders who want legislation to let some of the estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants stay in the country and work for a set period of time. Others, including Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, say national security concerns should drive immigration reform...
The demonstrations are expected to culminate April 10 in a "National Day of Action" organized by labor, immigration, civil rights and religious groups.
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Since these are the specific proposals up for debate, I'll say my piece:
"a felony to be in the U.S. illegally,"
This is ridiculous. It makes no sense to treat a nanny like a kidnapper, an apple-picker like a killer. The normal punishment for a felon is prison. Are we going to build prisons for 11 or 12 million people? Of course not. We already deport them. That's enough.
"impose new penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants,"
This has some potential. Will the penalties be stiff enough to keep employers in line so it's cheaper to hire legally than it is illegally? We'll see.
"require churches to check the legal status of people they help,"
I don't think so. Show me your green card and I'll give you some gruel. This is an attempt to turn churches into an arm of the IMS. Not a good idea. Let's keep church and state separated. It's enough to have a prez thinking the voices he hears are divine.
and erect fences along one-third of the U.S.-Mexican border..."
Talk about a half measure! We need an expression for a 1/3 measure. All this will do is make smugglers raise the fee to buy the extra gas to drive around the end of the thing.
I'm all for getting a handle on the situation. It's reasonable. But the House has dropped the ball on this attempt. I hope it's defeated in the Senate and everyone goes back to make another attempt at really dealing with the problem. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| "a felony to be in the U.S. illegally," |
We have plenty of gang bangers beside plenty of nannies.
We say nanny but we don't mean nanny. We say nanny plus five kids who do poorly in school,a nanny that has no intention of going back and who will at the time necessary demand citizenship becuase of her labor.
We also mean people that don't have employer supported health care whose healthcare is subsidized by others who don't have nannies.
You will have to take healthcare and free public schools off the table. Thats what the public is angry about. They are mad at the amount of cheating.
People should be able to move to improve their lives? Thats world communism. My life is improved with nice Hawaiian beach front, therefore I'm entitled to it. Pshaw.
There is very little that is nasty here. We tell you the truth and you think its nasty. Why does the idea of the Mexico should care for and educate its people offend you? Why is that always off the table? |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Yo!Chingo
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul Korea
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We owe Mexico nothing except a good swift kick in the a$$ and every illegal a one way ticket back to wherever they came from. No questions asked. The crap statement that they do what American's won't is just that...crap. Those jobs were done before illegals and they'll get done after them! The contractors want cheap and uneducated labor that they can bully and intimidate. They want SLAVES not employees. I hung out with these guys and know what they're about.
The whole argument that America is a nation of immigrants brought up by some, is one that's been thrown around many times. Guess what?!? When my ancestors came over it was on a boat that docked in NY. They were wanted and there weren't laws like there are now. These people today are nothing but CRIMINALS sucking the lifeblood out of our society. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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eh yeah dude. ok then.
so, who is up for a rational discussion about the topic? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| When do we get to discuss the Reconquista, La Raza and Aztlan? |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| When do we get to discuss the Reconquista, La Raza and Aztlan? |
That's pretty much a daily topic at any UC branch located in Southern California. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| And while we're at it, when can we (finally) start discussing the reverse racism that is at play from these circles? |
Oh, round about the fifth of never. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| dogbert wrote: |
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| When do we get to discuss the Reconquista, La Raza and Aztlan? |
That's pretty much a daily topic at any UC branch located in Southern California. |
Tell me about it.
And while we're at it, when can we (finally) start discussing
the reverse racism that is at play from these circles? |
Enough of the "reverse" doublethink already.
Racism IS racism.
GOOGLE THIS:
The Aztlan Plan
(manifesto of the modern political movement)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Espiritual_de_Aztlan
Race Riots Could Lead to Camps For Americans and Illegals
Mexican extremists led like lambs to the slaughter will be the first victims
http://infowars.com/articles/ps/camps_race_riots_could_lead_to_camps_citizens_illegals.htm |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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I'm not going to take time to read through the whole thread, but I find this discussion interesting.
First, I am a pretty liberal Democrat, but I have to admit I agree with the anti-immigration people on this one.
Second, it really isn't about legal immigration, it's about illegal immigration
Third, since my wife and I are standing in line (metaphorically speaking) to allow her to legally immigrate to the US, I recent those who snub the system and insist they are above the law.
It's not about the color of someone's skin. I have lots of friends (including hispanics) from diffrent backgrounds. It's about stopping the influx of illegal people entering the country.
I strongly disagree with the guest worker program as it is an amnesty in disguise. It's time to get tough on this, but the sad part is no one has the guts to do it. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Second, it really isn't about legal immigration, it's about illegal immigration |
Exactly!
Keep an eye out for the propaganda. Most conveniently fail to mention this critical distinction altogether.
Get your "paperwork" in order ... people 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column |
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