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Just want to know: why relatively more canadians in Kland?
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pest2

Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject:

mindmetoo wrote:

SirFink wrote:

Do they not teach sarcasm in Canadian schools? Let me try this again: don't worry Canada, we'll protect you and we'll even foot the bill! Wink

I know you're probably being sarcastic, but there are many Americans on Dave's who aren't sarcastic and actually seem to think the world would be a much better place if Canada and Japan armed themselves to the teeth.

Japan: No.

Canada... hmmm never thought about it.

Porter_Goss

Joined: 26 Mar 2006
Location: The Wrong Side of Right

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject:

ajgeddes wrote:

The Irish types are a bit like Canadians who get cranky when people say "American" for "people from the USA". I really can't work up much of a care.
I could be incorrect here, but the question wasn't about Irish people, but rather Ireland the country.

As well, I don't think Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain. I believe it's called 'Great Britain and Northern Ireland.' I could be wrong, but this seems to be what I understand.

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom, but not everyone from Northern Ireland is happy about this. Catholics are a minority there and are subject to discrimination by the majority Protestants. Loyalist (Protestant) Northern Irish call themselves "British", while the Catholic Unionist (so called because they call for the "union" of the Irelands) call themselves "Irish".

pest2 wrote:

Now that my memory has been forceably and unwillingly jogged by this whole subtopic, it seems like Northern Ireland-- the one that is part of the UK, still -- is also the one that is the topic of many famous U2 songs about non-violent protest.

The U2 song, "Bloody Sunday" is about this. Bloody Sunday (1972)

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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject:

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Northern Ireland is part of Great Britian,

No it isn't. It's part of the UK.

Porter_Goss

Joined: 26 Mar 2006
Location: The Wrong Side of Right

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject:

ajgeddes wrote:

Quote:

Northern Ireland is part of Great Britian,

No it isn't. It's part of the UK.

Are you questioning American intel!?

*Click* Note to self; possible terrorist, with ties to Al Qaeda, target for rendition. *Click*

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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject:

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Are you questioning American intel!?

Is this the same intel that said there were WMD?? Laughing

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject:

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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject:

Why does it have to be only the negative reasons that could possibly explain why more Canadians are here? I think in the end, you are getting a good mixture of both. At least in Ontario, it isn't hard to find a good job, they are plentiful, maybe they weren't 10 years ago, but they are now. I have a hard time believing that most people couldn't find good jobs at home, at least in related fields. I had a 3 different choices before I came here. One was a for sure go, one was still a maybe, and then there was Korea. I really wanted to travel, so I chose Korea. Sure, there may be negative things that led a lot Canadians to Korea, but I don't see how these are any easier to believe than positive reasons. I would argue there are more here for positive reasons than reasons of trying to escape dreadful Canada and it's terrible work situation. We should have a poll: Canadians, why are you and so many other people here?

laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject:

ajgeddes wrote:

We should have a poll: Canadians, why are you and so many other people here?

Well, I am here cause I wanted to visit (and live in) many countries. I have a good degree. I started in Japan, then China, now Korea. I probaby want to finish Asia with Thailand (maybe) and then go to Europe for awhile.

mindmetoo

Joined: 02 Feb 2004

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject:

Gopher wrote:

mindmetoo wrote:

Gopher wrote:

Also, if a liberal arts education in Canada is such a losing proposition, why aren't students warned off that course?

Is a Liberal Arts education a winning proposition in the USA? (Aside from a liberal arts degree from an Ivy league college.)

I think a liberal arts education, without a follow-up graduate education (that is, a Ph.D. in the field, a teaching license, or an MBA or law degree), is generally of low commercial value anywhere in the world.

On the other hand, given differences in our political economy, a liberal arts education in the U.S. is not the dead end it appears to be in Canada.

That would seem to partly explain the exodus of so many Canadians to find needed employment in South Korea.

Errr you can't judge the value of a BA based on the short term career choice of mostly recent grads. Are newly minted BA holders in American all raving madly about their job prospects? My BA in psych hasn't led to what I'd think of as a dead end job.

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject:

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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:13 pm Post subject:

ajgeddes wrote:

Why does it have to be only the negative reasons that could possibly explain why more Canadians are here?

Thank you for pointing this out.

I offer you my apologies if my explanation has created this impression.

I don't doubt that adventurism and curiosity to see the world is partly driving some or many Canadians to come to Korea.

But I do doubt that these are the exclusive or even the main reasons.

That was the point I wanted to make.

ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:36 pm Post subject:

Quote:

I offer you my apologies if my explanation has created this impression.

No, no, I knew what you were getting at.

I just wanted to stress the idea that a lot of Canadians come here for positive reasons, and tht they are just as plentiful as the negative reasons.

Privateer

Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:02 am Post subject:

Porter_Goss wrote:

ajgeddes wrote:

Nice summary of the situation. Do Protestants never refer to themselves as Irish? I suspect that only hardcore Ulster Loyalists care enough about it but have to admit I've never met any.

Porter_Goss wrote:

pest2 wrote:

The U2 song, "Bloody Sunday" is about this. Bloody Sunday (1972)

Well, if native English speakers, even edumacated ones, find the confused Irish situation confusing what chance do Koreans have? I get asked to explain the whole England, Ireland, Scotland, UK, GB question from time to time - throw in Wales too just to really screw them up - and watch their eyes glaze over the deeper into it I get.

(Thank-you Mel Gibson by the way for Braveheart and the keen insight it has given everybody into British history.)

Really, what's holding us all together apart from shared history and an outdated, already irrelevant monarchical system the irrelevance of which becomes more obvious year by year but no-one cares enough to stop the royals transforming into mere hereditary celebrities? Maybe they'll find new relevance as members of the new ultra-rich set who are going to end up owning all of us.

Canadians: do you ever get asked to explain how/why Canada is different to the US, why it has the Queen on the money, and why Quebec speaks French? Maybe you don't.

Privateer

Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:06 am Post subject:

Porter_Goss wrote:

ajgeddes wrote:

Nice summary of the situation. Do Protestants never refer to themselves as Irish? I suspect that only hardcore Ulster Loyalists care enough about it but have to admit I've never met any.

Porter_Goss wrote:

pest2 wrote:

The U2 song, "Bloody Sunday" is about this. Bloody Sunday (1972)

mindmetoo

Joined: 02 Feb 2004

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:23 am Post subject:

Gopher wrote:

mindmetoo wrote:

Just last week, on a second-tier "state" campus in southern California, while en route a meeting with the history dept. where I'm guest speaking on U.S. foreign policy, I passed about 200-250 booths of employers, from Walmart to the federal govt, seeking as many new graduates as they can get their hands on.

Yes but what degree? B.comm? B.eng? BA? Let's stay focused on the career prospects of a someone with a BA and no skills beyond what skills an arts program transfers.

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