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riley
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| Well, can't disagree with you Don, if you're saying that those latest spun off some movie/game series are crap. I agree (sad to say, did read them when younger) Both SF and Fantasy have a tendency to crank out writing just to sell books, but then that's true with other forms of writing too. Sorry, have to go, class started. I'll continue... |
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riley
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 3:25 am Post subject: |
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What I mean about other forms of writing and writers simply writing for money, is a reference to writers of the 19th century. How many of those were paid for the word, so they padded or added to the story? Dickens had his stories originally serialized and was paid by a newspaper. Was he trying to write great literature or simply making a buck?
Oh and music is a respected art form? Have you listened to current pop music? The recording industry have tried to turn it into a factory process. There is no respect for actual quality music, just making as much money as possible. |
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C.M.
Joined: 02 Dec 2005
Location: Gangwondo
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| riley wrote: |
What I mean about other forms of writing and writers simply writing for money, is a reference to writers of the 19th century. How many of those were paid for the word, so they padded or added to the story? *beep* had his stories originally serialized and was paid by a newspaper. Was he trying to write great literature or simply making a buck?
Oh and music is a respected art form? Have you listened to current pop music? The recording industry have tried to turn it into a factory process. There is no respect for actual quality music, just making as much money as possible. |
Are you referring to Melville and stories like Benito Cereno? |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| riley wrote: |
What I mean about other forms of writing and writers simply writing for money, is a reference to writers of the 19th century. How many of those were paid for the word, so they padded or added to the story? *beep* had his stories originally serialized and was paid by a newspaper. Was he trying to write great literature or simply making a buck?
Oh and music is a respected art form? Have you listened to current pop music? The recording industry have tried to turn it into a factory process. There is no respect for actual quality music, just making as much money as possible. |
Yeah. Despite what my old professor said, even Shakey wrote for money.
Nothing wrong with the monetary motivation. |
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riley
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| The bleep was D-ickens. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| riley wrote: |
How many of those were paid for the word, so they padded or added to the story? *beep* had his stories originally serialized and was paid by a newspaper.
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What the heck got -beeped- out this time?!
Was it Charles DICKens? |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:27 am Post subject: |
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My favorites...
Midnight by Dean R. Koontz
Windmills of the Gods and Rage of Angles by Sidney Sheldon
I just finished First Counsel by Brad Meltzer and it was pretty good. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
My favorites...
Midnight by Dean R. Koontz
Windmills of the Gods and Rage of Angles by Sidney Sheldon
I just finished First Counsel by Brad Meltzer and it was pretty good. |
Sick'im Don! But I do rather like the idea of 90-degree furor. |
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Don Gately
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Location: In a basement taking a severe beating
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| flotsam wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
My favorites...
Midnight by Dean R. Koontz
Windmills of the Gods and Rage of Angles by Sidney Sheldon
I just finished First Counsel by Brad Meltzer and it was pretty good. |
Sick'im Don! But I do rather like the idea of 90-degree furor. |
Like I said, I'm done with it/over it. I know what the common denominator is around here now and don't have to drive myself nuts anymore. The sad thing is I've been on this damn site for three years now and keep having to be reminded of it.
Regardless, this is a literature discussion I've rarely been disappointed in. |
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Xerxes
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| The ex-pat site that Don cites seems like just a name-drop contest rather than any "discussion." I'm not impressed (although I didn't read the whole thread after the first page). |
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Don Gately
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Xerxes wrote: |
| The ex-pat site that Don cites seems like just a name-drop contest rather than any "discussion." I'm not impressed . |
Somehow, I'll try to go on. |
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Xerxes
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Don Gately wrote: |
| Xerxes wrote: |
| The ex-pat site that Don cites seems like just a name-drop contest rather than any "discussion." I'm not impressed . |
Somehow, I'll try to go on. |
Well, I'll bite: let's pick a book and cite passages and discuss away, and let's see if you are of intellectual muster to pass the BS test you yourself have offered a la carte on this thread.
How about we do something canonical so as not to strain the name dropping tedium. I will suggest two works and you suggest two works and we will agree after a good back and forth of twos until a discussion ensues on an agreed work. Ok? Sport?
I suggest The Brothers Karamazov or Huck Finn. Both are canonical so there should be no reason that name dropping to avoid banter can be an excuse: "I would discuss this but there is a better work that I would rather discuss, %^&***%%$ (*&^%$#@ a writer in Istanbul in 1405 who wrote (*&(*^&&^% *&^*&^%&%, do you know him? I know him very well."
We should submit a posit to this thread then once a couple of days, lets say roughly 48 hours (I suppose you have a day job?), but you can post earlier and I can reply earlier too.
The object isn't to win, but just prove that either of us is not an imbecile. I have a feeling that you are, and I will proceed to prove this.
Not agreeing to take part does not prove that you are a pussy, though it just could mean that you have more pressing engagements with your intellect and words that you bandy about here. |
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Don Gately
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| Xerxes wrote: |
| Don Gately wrote: |
| Xerxes wrote: |
| The ex-pat site that Don cites seems like just a name-drop contest rather than any "discussion." I'm not impressed . |
Somehow, I'll try to go on. |
Well, I'll bite: let's pick a book and cite passages and discuss away, and let's see if you are of intellectual muster to pass the BS test you yourself have offered a la carte on this thread.
How about we do something canonical so as not to strain the name dropping tedium. I will suggest two works and you suggest two works and we will agree after a good back and forth of twos until a discussion ensues on an agreed work. Ok? Sport?
I suggest The Brothers Karamazov or Huck Finn. Both are canonical so there should be no reason that name dropping to avoid banter can be an excuse: "I would discuss this but there is a better work that I would rather discuss, %^&***%%$ (*&^%$#@ a writer in Istanbul in 1405 who wrote (*&(*^&&^% *&^*&^%&%, do you know him? I know him very well."
We should submit a posit to this thread then once a couple of days, lets say roughly 48 hours (I suppose you have a day job?), but you can post earlier and I can reply earlier too.
The object isn't to win, but just prove that either of us is not an imbecile. I have a feeling that you are, and I will proceed to prove this.
Not agreeing to take part does not prove that you are a pussy, though it just could mean that you have more pressing engagements with your intellect and words that you bandy about here. |
Sure, that's fine. Obviously the richest part of Karamazov is the Grand Inquisitor, I'd rather just talk about that, or do you want the book in full?
As far as Huck Finn, we did it in High School, I don't really have much to say about it that hasn't been said about a billion times, but I guess we can trot out all the old "What was taught to him was bad was really what is good and what was taught to him was good was really what was bad" thing again. |
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Don Gately
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| Jeez, man, I just realized that you were the guy who was offering to do Sparkles' little girl on another thread. I can't wait to see what observations you have to offer on great literature. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| Don Gately wrote: |
| Sure, that's fine. Obviously the richest part of Karamazov is the Grand Inquisitor, I'd rather just talk about that, or do you want the book in full? |
I could discuss Karamazov endlessly. Can I join?
Sparkles*_* |
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