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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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 Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
| Yawn. More apologetics I've heard a billion times, and not at all an attempt to answer the original question. |
Well it's not really apologetics, it's factual data, and it just so happens to say something you don't want to hear. |
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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
| Yawn. More apologetics I've heard a billion times, and not at all an attempt to answer the original question. |
Who's apologizing?? If you heard it a million times you must be pretty dense if you can't understand the facts. It's explained in pretty plain language. What part don't you understand, let me know and I'll try to dumb it down for you.
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| "Many deny the Truth, seek pleasure, and justify their lifestyles. Few deny themselves, seek the Truth, and are justified.". |
Sounds like you are not following your credo. |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| capebretoncanadian wrote: |
| Advocating it to students would be irresponsible of us as educators. I'd love to see it more liberalized here though...and think Koreans should have a more open attitude about it. It's relatively harmless in my opinion and many of them, including myself....could use a little bit of green to straight up chill out and take it all in once in awhile....jesus! |
Well put , Caper. I share the opinion that a gradual acceptance of the weed would lead to, at the very least, less of a soju-driven recreational mindset for those of an age when they are receptive to the notion of experimentation. However, advocating it to your students is not unlike advocating a sexual experience with your student(s). In either case, have the experience with your colleagues, the support staff, even the cleaning staff. But to do so with your students, tempting though it might be, 'moral' considerations aside, is ethically indefensible. You are not their friend. You can be friendly, but you don't register on the hierarchical food-chain. You need to set the boundaries. And even with the best of intentions, smoking dope with your students in a parking lot behind the bar is a very bad idea. |
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maggoli
Joined: 21 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Yup. Especially here. Quick way to lose your job. 38 years old, Canadian, and never smoked dope...I AM a dinosaur...  |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Good gravy! What an edgy group. I'm guessing the people posting the heated comments aren't actual users of marijuana as pot is supposed to have a relaxing effect.
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| Just like invading other countries and bullying the world is part of American culture, smoking weed, chilling, and being open to other cultures is part of Canadian culture, especially in Vancouver, the weed capital of Canada. Just accept it and move on with your mundane life. |
Huh? I ask about pot and I get invasions and openness to other cultures in yet another Can vs. US post. If by "accept it" you mean for me to accept that "smoking weed...is a part of Canadian culture, I already have. I'm just curious as to the why.
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| Well it's not really apologetics, it's factual data, and it just so happens to say something you don't want to hear. |
You're right and wrong. I don't want to hear it only because it doesn't answer my question. All of your data about marijuana seems to be answering the question, "Is it okay to smoke weed?" I'm not asking if it is okay and I am not condemning the use of marijuana. Just wondering why it seems to be so popular amongst Canadians.
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| Who's apologizing?? If you heard it a million times you must be pretty dense if you can't understand the facts. It's explained in pretty plain language. What part don't you understand, let me know and I'll try to dumb it down for you. |
You should learn the difference between "apologizing" and "apologetics" before you worry about dumbing anything down. And what I can't understand is how a question about why pot is so popular amongst Canadians has turned into a defense of the use of pot. The use of pot was never attacked here (at least not by me). My question was and is, "Why is pot such an essential part of so many Canadians' lives?" I think Khyber, back on the first page, is about the only one who took a shot at answering the question. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:46 am Post subject: |
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I don't see a lot of heated stuff here mate, but if there is some, it's because the question is quite silly and has a hidden implication that pot is not "such an important part of life" for a whole bunch of other people in other countries. To get serious we need pot user stats which might be hard to find. But I would hazard a guess that kiwi's are just as keen on thier pot, and I know it's huge in the states too, but less so in the red states, big in Aussie and England too. Maybe Canadians just are more open about talking about it, or more proud of the quality of thier weed. I don't really know. I don't think Canadians are uniquely passionate about weed though, try Jamaica for one thing.
The question is a bit like asking "Why are americans so mad about thier booze and guns?". It just feels a bit weird and creepy. Pot has been used sinse the beginning of historical record by a large proportion of populations on the globe. Why? Why do we like booze, sex, music, dancing? Who cares, it's a good thing. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, let's forget about the "why". Tell me about the "when".
I confess I've never given the subject of Canadians a terrific deal of thought, and so have not followed their meteoric rise as internationally acclaimed pot-smokers. When did this all come about? Are the Canadians one sees walking around the streets of Korea today the first generation or just the latest in a long proud line of pot-smokers? Were/Are their parents stoners too? How about grandma & grandpa? When did it all begin? |
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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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4 months left wrote:
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| Who's apologizing?? If you heard it a million times you must be pretty dense if you can't understand the facts. It's explained in pretty plain language. What part don't you understand, let me know and I'll try to dumb it down for you. |
You should learn the difference between "apologizing" and "apologetics" before you worry about dumbing anything down. And what I can't understand is how a question about why pot is so popular amongst Canadians has turned into a defense of the use of pot. The use of pot was never attacked here (at least not by me). My question was and is, "Why is pot such an essential part of so many Canadians' lives?" I think Khyber, back on the first page, is about the only one who took a shot at answering the question. |
Okay, my bad. I can admit when I made a mistake. I apologize for the improper use of apologetics - I learned something new - thanks!
Look, the largest percentage of teachers here are Canadians and we are more open minded than some, not all, Americans, especially the ones in the red states. But Brits, Aussies and Kiwis seem to be just as open minded about weed along with many Americans I've met.
They realize that weed is a fairly harmless drug with less harmful effects than alcohol and tobacco and that police waste valuable time and money trying to fight something that really doesn't need to be fought.
Unfortuanately it all comes down to taxation. Booze and cigs are easy to tax because it is difficult to make your own and both can be addictive especially nicotine in cigs. Weed is easy to grow and is not addictive so collecting tax would be difficult. It's like the argument for taxing privates in Korea, you can tax them but will people pay? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| capebretoncanadian wrote: |
| Advocating it to students would be irresponsible of us as educators. |
Absolutely! However, i have NO problem using it for discussion material from thyme to thyme. Usually starts with the question: "So then, tell us, WHY exactly is it illigal?" 
Plainly, all plant consumption falls within the realm of personal choice.
| capebretoncanadian wrote: |
| I'd love to see it more liberalized here though...and think Koreans should have a more open attitude about it. It's relatively harmless in my opinion and many of them, including myself....could use a little bit of green to straight up chill out and take it all in once in awhile....jesus! |
Relatively harmless? How about, if consumed in a reasonable amount at the right time: QUITE GOOD FOR YOU! 
One more reason of course to perpetuate the absurdity.
Yes, Koreans would be a LOT better off & more chilled. Instead all they can do is drink their VICTORY GIN, stumble, get stupid & puke.
For the record, pot was apparently not ( primarily on the basis of pressure from out of WASHINGTON ) made "illegal" in Korea until ... 1975!
Also heard an interesting story recently of how foreigners would sometimes smoke in between train cars up until only a few years ago.
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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I'm assuming this was the one for Albert Hoffman's 100th birthday.
Just out of curiosity....what was the topic of your discussion? |
Yup. 
I spoke about sustainable memetics in relation to the Singularity. It was a great opportunity and I met some fantastic personalities.
Namaste. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| hermes.trismegistus wrote: |
| re:cursive wrote: |
I'm assuming this was the one for Albert Hoffman's 100th birthday.
Just out of curiosity....what was the topic of your discussion? |
Yup.
I spoke about sustainable memetics in relation to the Singularity.
It was a great opportunity and I met some fantastic personalities.
Namaste. |
wtf?
Care to explain? |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| hermes.trismegistus wrote: |
| re:cursive wrote: |
I'm assuming this was the one for Albert Hoffman's 100th birthday.
Just out of curiosity....what was the topic of your discussion? |
Yup.
I spoke about sustainable memetics in relation to the Singularity. It was a great opportunity and I met some fantastic personalities.
Namaste. |
You know someone is spending too much time on the "conceptual plane" when they met "personalities" and not "people"... |
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hermes.trismegistus
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| You know someone is spending too much time on the "conceptual plane" when they met "personalities" and not "people"... |
I rarely get to meet "people", but often get to meet "personalities". Personalities, in Jungian and Theosophic terms, involve transient aspects of the individual (a non-transient, timeless essence, the True Self). Getting to know "people" takes a lot of time and motivation, and seems best reserved for those personalities we accept to fulfill certain roles.
So yeah, I usually meet personalities, not people.
Namaste. |
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Satori
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| Hope you got some good "face time" with those "personalities"... |
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