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crimsonlily
Joined: 08 May 2006
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| This seems to have turned into a discussion of discipline in general. Which is good and fine. I agree a concerned teacher will try to maintain discipline - it shows that he/she is taking her job and the students learning seriously. Some who manages to maintain discipline is a very successful teacher! To me, there's a big difference between discipline and physical punishment (or TORTURE!). Maybe we could start another post on effective means of keeping students in line non-violently? |
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Woland
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| jaderedux wrote: |
| jade the not so cool teacher |
Actually, jade, you sound like a pretty cool teacher. When I'm a student, I appreciate knowing what the rules are and knowing that the teacher will be fair. Classrooms are places that need some discipline in order for us to learn and have fun while learning. You've done that, and more power to you.
I agree with Yu Bum Suk, though, that we should think about what rules are really necessary to establish the necessary discipline in our classrooms.Rules that seem pointless to students are rules that they are likely not to obey. And reasons for them may not be clear to everyone, as YBS's question about jade's uniform rule show. So, I think we especially need to let students know that there are reasons for the rules we have that go beyond merely enforcing conformity and how they contribute to making the classroom a place to learn. The problem is that this isn't done enough.
crimsonlily, I'm sorry to go on about discipline here when, as you pointed out, the thread started on punishment. But I think there is a connection. I think we all agree that random punishment and excessive punishment are bad things. Good discipline actually helps us get away from punishing students, though, by establishing a context where they understand their responsibilities and can live up to them. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 3:56 am Post subject: |
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| Sometimes.... I would like to take some of my university students outside and square off, mano en mano. Other students, I'd like to spank, but I refrain from that kind of behaviour and use other means of discipline. They work too. |
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Rangi-nui
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: steal bar anyone? |
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| What�s wrong with you people, Rangi loves to beat his students. In fact I take a meter long steal bar to class. This year I�ve have already made 10 kids cry, and that wasn�t even with the bar. If the students ever tell me I�m crazy, I just reply �no I be not crazy boss, but this steal bar be the crazy one! |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| In schools back home, kids genuinely deserve to be beaten. They're evil kids. They're the products of evil families who should not be allowed to reproduce. |
What? Are you suggesting that there aren't any evil kids in Korea? I have seen and heard kids do evil things in this country. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Not in front of you maybe. I think you got very lucky. Had I been the Korean teacher, I'd have placed a call to the cops complaining that the foreigner was threating to beat me up. You'd have been fired and deported. Seriously I wouldn't try acting like the tough guy in this country.
Plus you sound like some parents I heard. "Hitting people is wrong. Now I'm going to hit you to teach you how wrong it is." 
There are other ways to solve problems than with physical violence. If you can't think of them, then don't blame the Korean teacher for not being able to. |
Damn good post. |
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captain planet
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| i make em stand up and raise their hands if they're really being a pain in the ass. i also have a sawed off pool cue that i use as a pointer and prop and threaten them with it randomly from time to time, but i wouldn't hit them. |
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:56 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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Like someone said, violence begets violence. People won't have to wonder why Korea has more violent crime (assults, murders etc) years from now. |
Kids have been hit for many many years in Korean schools. Yet Korea is still one of the safest societies (as many people on this board have pointed out). If your theory was true, by now Korea should be one of the most violent nations. Yet it is not. Back to the drawing board. |
Yup, I was gonna point this out when I read this thread a while back. If corporal punishment is so wrong then why is there WAY less crime here in Korea than in NA? I'm sorry to say but the corporal punishment here in Korea is not harsh at all. I've seen it in the public schools I work at and the students are never hurt to the point of crying. A smack on the wrist or head ain't gonna do serious harm at all, emotionally or physically. I don't do it myself because it's not my style as a teacher.
I have seen teachers here smack their kids and later the kids are hugging and joking around with their teachers while they eat watermelon together. That's not something you will ever see in NA.
The physical punishment here in Korea doesn't compare at all to the emotional abuse that students face in NA, especially in America. It's the emotional abuse that results in disasters like the Columbine shooting.
I agree with many of the posters in this thread like Jade, you gotta have discipline to have fun and learning. We discipline so we don't have to punish in the future.
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think I coudl hit a child, but I will use my hand on their shoulder if they won't sit down, or pull them back to their seat if I need to. I will even pick them right up off the floor. What NA liberal art morons are doing to NA is wrong. Children absolutely want and need physical attention. Good and bad. There are limits to both, everything in moderation. But now not only are teachers (and even parents) afraid to hit (I mean a bit of pain, not a beating) their children, they are afraid to comfort them or even pat them on the head. Most male elementary teachers won't even pat students on the head or shoulders for fears of suspicion of whatever. And definitely not hug them when there are crying because they fell down... Like I said, I don't hit, but I am physical with my teaching when necessary. My students still love me. |
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