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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:25 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

EFLtrainer wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

EFLtrainer wrote:

. I congratulate your scumminess.

But what about the "scumminess" of those scheming Demos who set this conspiracy up from the beginning? Can't forget about them now can we?

Trying to set a record for the most posts on a thread without actually participting.

Brilliant.

No that would be you. The majority of your posts on this thread have to do with attacking other posters rather than the topic. The majority of my posts here have focused on the topic and the issue that it is apparently a conspiracy...you know, just like you say 9/11 was?

No, you havent addressed the issue at all, while the OP has been on topic every post. It truly is a seperate reality of your own concoction that you live in.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:17 pm Post subject:

Satori wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

EFLtrainer wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

EFLtrainer wrote:

. I congratulate your scumminess.

But what about the "scumminess" of those scheming Demos who set this conspiracy up from the beginning? Can't forget about them now can we?

Trying to set a record for the most posts on a thread without actually participting.

Brilliant.

No, you havent addressed the issue at all, while the OP has been on topic every post. It truly is a seperate reality of your own concoction that you live in.

Nonsense. I have asked (now) a total of four questions about that video, while Mr. Trainer has spent the majority of his time calling others liars. And you say I live in a "seperate reality".

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TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject:

EFLtrainer wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

EFLtrainer wrote:

[To comment on the few, and extremely belated, comments that were actually about the video: please. You gents say you want evidence, yet the video gives evidence. Personal accounts and telephone call recordings, the results of trials in court... none of that is evidence?

That conclusion is completely partisan. Hardly surprising.

Perhaps I will look into this more once I am home.

How do you know the video isn't actually a bunch of videos all chopped up and pasted together in order to defame Republicans?

Unless you have some more proof...DEFINITE proof, just maybe it would be a good idea to refrain from libeling public figures on this site.

Do you understand the terms "libel" and "public figures?"

Libel means to lie with intent to injure. I have done neither. What public figures? You? Are YOU a public figure? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Republicans are public figures.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:30 pm Post subject:

EFLtrainer wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

EFLtrainer wrote:

[*I* was not warned by anyone about anything. (1) There was a general reminder posted to the board. Another lie. See? That's what you call someone who lies, a liar.

(2) How is it relevant in any way whether the mainstream media has picked up the story again? That makes it true or not? Please. Utterly illogical.

(3) Now, since you HAVE lied, you ARE a liar. Got it? You STILL have not added anything of substance whatsoever to the topic. None. You claim smeaing the video YOU HAVE NOT WATCHED as a Democratic witch hunt WITH NO SUPPORTING EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER is adding to the thread. No, it's lying.

You, sir, are a liar. (4) Name calling is using an epithet that has no meaning or use other than to insult. I have not done that. You have lied. Don't want to be called a liar? Don't lie.

It's the same as Bush calling people who disagree with him cut and runners. That's a lie. He's a liar. You're a liar. Simple.

(numbers are mine)

1. So you are saying that the general reminder does not apply to you?

(A) Any idiot knows this is not what my previous comment implied. So, are you an idiot, or a liar?

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Anyway I asked a question. I did not say that the mods had asked you to drop the name calling. I ASKED IF THEY HAD. Learn to tell the difference between a question and a comment.

(B) Uh... right.... See, disembling is just another word for.... lying.

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2. If the mainstream media has not picked up the story it is likely untrue. This would be a huge story if it were true.

(C) I see. So, Iraq being OBVIOUSLY based on lies not being a BIG story until pretty much THIS election means... all the lies we know to be factual are, in fact, lies again?

Spinning also = lying.

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3. So that it is obvious to all and sundry that you lied about me lying, it is now obvious that you are the liar. Oh the irony!

(D) Spinning again. Sad. Check the polls. You are in the minority at a clip of about 3 to 1. Clue in, eh?

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4. And that is what you have done. Once again the general reminder applies to you as well as everyone else.

Calling you a liar when you are, as pointed out by my non-friend laogaigook, is not breaking any rule.

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And once again I did not say "the mods told you to stop name calling" I merely asked a question.

*beep*.

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And this is evidence of a lie?

Yes.

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The only evidence of any lie here is from you. Stop lying about what I have said.

(E) I have not. I need not.

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And why are you posting a video that dates back years ago? This forum is CURRENT events.

(F) Since *I* found it currently, and no others, save one, had seen it before, it is, in fact, current events. Given the import it carries in showing the republican party to be knee-deep in pedophilia (or hadn't you noticed?), it is, indeed, current events. FURTHER, GIVEN IT IS AN OPEN CASE, IT IS, INDEED, CURRENT EVENTS.

(G) Now let me ask you a question: why have I seen posted here NOT ONE SINGLE WORD OF OUTRAGE AT THE ACTS COMMITTED, NOR A SINGLE WORD ON THE NEED TO AT LEAST CHECK THE FACTS? Do you ondone the acts committed?

(H) Given the Republicans rode to power almost certinly BECAUSE OF the suppression of this investigation, is it NOT current events???

Explain yourself.

(A) It is obvious that is what your previous comment implied. See here you are flaming again, even after reading the warning. So obviously you feel it doesn't apply to you...or you wouldn't be flaming. But prehaps you ARE trying to get this thread locked in order to spare yourself more embarassment.

(B) So stop disembling then and answer the questions.

(C) WHAT? Seriously that makes no sense all at. What are you trying to say? And how is Iraq related to this video?

(D) Polls are in my favour at about 10 to 1.

(E) (see A)

(F) No it is not. It is more than 12 years old. It's an open case. Really? Which court is currently trying it?

(G) Because apart from this video I have seen no other proof, despite repeated requests for proof. Again how do you KNOW that this video is not faked?

(H) The Republicans rode to power because they were well-organized not because they supressed one little video.

When you come up with some NEW information then I will consider debating it with you. Until then I am not going to bother getting into this with you.

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

...here you are flaming again, even after reading the warning. So obviously you feel it doesn't apply to you...or you wouldn't be flaming.

I think it very likely that management shares his ideology and perhaps takes some delight in his in-your-face style. I see no other way to reconcile such warnings as this...

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[S]top flaming people...I am once again warning everyone about being civil [emphasis added].

...with subsequent comments like these, which have gone virtually unchallenged, apparently implying carte blanche for our cantankerous friend...

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So, are you an idiot, or a liar?

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disembling is just another word for.... lying.

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you are SUCH a hypocrite. You are just like Bush.

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From the very thread you quoted, you *beep*

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Thank you for the perfect example of what a brain fart you are.

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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject:

Satori:

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Re: Pedophilia, Republicans, Cover-ups, 1994 Elections... 9/11?

This strikes me as vaguely-worded, poorly thought-out, and, necessarily involving the entire Republican Party -- since at least 1994.

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...a sex and drug ring by Republicans.

This does not mention individual suspects. It mentions a class of people: the Republican Party...

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And it happened during Republican administrations.

...and Republican presidents and their partisan supporters.

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The documentary below was prevented from being aired in 1994. You'll remember that was the year the Republicans took control of Congress and began the destruction of our democracy, our nation.

Again, an entire class is referenced, and not specific suspects, but the Republican Party -- this time the Congressional ones.

Also, at least one other poster saw what I saw...

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Oh yes, SOME republicans have been engaged in misconduct so now all republicans are evil.

Which brought on a back-peddling maneuver (and an insult)...

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Reading comprehension: get some. Nowhere did I say all Republicans were involved, let alone evil...oh, foolish one.

Finally, you come on board and confidently assert this...

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...he is doing no back-peddling. He never said "all republicans" anywhere, or even implied it.

So, I have to ask: are we reading the same thread?

In any case, I would be happy to discuss specific allegations directed against specific suspects. Not this guilt-by-association and barely-concealed "everything proves that 9/11 was an inside job" and other McCarthyist nonsense.

Please let me know when you have something substantial to discuss, will you?

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EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:39 am Post subject:

Gopher wrote:

Re: Pedophilia, Republicans, Cover-ups, 1994 Elections... 9/11?

This strikes me as vaguely-worded, poorly thought-out, and, necessarily involving the entire Republican Party -- since at least 1994.

That's because you neither watched the video nor entered this thread with anything close to an interest in the issue, but only an interest in bashing me. This is why you are irrelevant. You used to at least post your reams of data, now you simply mouth the party line.

So, were you an English teacher here? If so, why is it you don't know the difference between "republicans" and "the republicans," for example?

Any further analysis of your "comments" is a waste of time.

gang ah jee

Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:55 am Post subject:

EFLtrainer wrote:

So, were you an English teacher here? If so, why is it you don't know the difference between "republicans" and "the republicans," for example?

"This is a story of Boy's Town children being used in a sex and drug ring by Republicans."

vs

"This is a story of Boy's Town children being used in a sex and drug ring by the Republicans."

You're right that they have different meanings, but what you wrote is still a cheap slur. Do you actually train EFL teachers?

Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:47 am Post subject:

Gopher wrote:

Sartori:

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Re: Pedophilia, Republicans, Cover-ups, 1994 Elections... 9/11?

This strikes me as vaguely-worded, poorly thought-out, and, necessarily involving the entire Republican Party -- since at least 1994.

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...a sex and drug ring by Republicans.

This does not mention individual suspects. It mentions a class of people: the Republican Party...

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And it happened during Republican administrations.

...and Republican presidents and their partisan supporters.

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The documentary below was prevented from being aired in 1994. You'll remember that was the year the Republicans took control of Congress and began the destruction of our democracy, our nation.

Again, an entire class is referenced, and not specific suspects, but the Republican Party -- this time the Congressional ones.

Also, at least one other poster saw what I saw...

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Oh yes, SOME republicans have been engaged in misconduct so now all republicans are evil.

Which brought on a back-peddling maneuver (and an insult)...

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Reading comprehension: get some. Nowhere did I say all Republicans were involved, let alone evil...oh, foolish one.

Finally, you come on board and confidently assert this...

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...he is doing no back-peddling. He never said "all republicans" anywhere, or even implied it.

Dont talk about discussing things substantial, you havent yet done that in this thread, just tried to deflect discussion from this scandal. The scandal involves republicans, EFLtrainer`s wording is accurate. No further subtleties or distinctions are required. And when it comes to smear campaigns, misleading statements, and polically motivated innuendo republicans are the masters, so its a bit rich asking for any quarter in that area. I think democrats need to toughen up and play the game harder, republicans certain have been taking this side of things very seriously for a long time. To them its a science, and an important aspect of thier tactics that they spend considerable time and money on.

Now lets talk about the issue it`s self. I think it`s interesting that the republicans are the party that hates gays, says they are a threat to the family, and then a bunch of them turn out to be queer paedophiles. Perhaps the reason they are so anti gay in public is that have deep self loathing issues about thier own repressed homosexuality. Then there is a huge cover up mission. This blows Monica-gate out of the water. The american public showed they dont care about a stray blowjob if the president is doing a good job. I think they`ll feel somewhat differently about this though. This kind of makes of a joke of the republicans pushing themselves as the "family values party".

The republican party has become radical. Democrats are the true american conservatives and have been for some time. A liberal is a mainstream middle of the road american person, and give or take a couple of rigged elections they are the majority. I hope they take back power before the neo cons totally tear the constitution to peices.

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:14 am Post subject:

Satori wrote:

Dont talk about discussing things substantial, you havent yet done that in this thread, just tried to deflect discussion from this scandal. The scandal involves...

Satori:

This "scandal" exists nowhere but here. Nowhere in the U.S. Nowhere in the world press.

Why do you think that is?

Answer: there is nothing substantial to discuss here.

You do not like Republicans? Sorry to hear that. This matters not, however. You are not even a U.S. citizen or voter, correct?

So again: when you have something substantial to discuss, do let me know and please bring evidence to present as well. As I am sure you know, propaganda videos are not evidence.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:43 am Post subject:

Gopher wrote:

Satori wrote:

Dont talk about discussing things substantial, you havent yet done that in this thread, just tried to deflect discussion from this scandal. The scandal involves...

By what bizarre logic does something cease to exist because you can't find a story on it now? Go search on former Congressman, now con or ex-con and see waht you find. See if the story was not in the papers.

Or,a re you actually claiming those witnesses simply do not exist? The phone recordings do not exist? Former Congressman King going to jail for stealing $40,000,000 does not exist? That all the people in a position to squash this were Republicans does not exist? That the documentary was sheduled to be shown on television and was then not allowed to play is a fallacy?

All of that is evidence. It exists. What you show by your claim it does not exist is a pure partisan bias. That is un-American. It is, as you have so often accused others, anti-American. It is anti-Constitution. It is corrupt.

An American worth a damn would at least want to be sure the allegations were false and would demand, given the evidence presented, a renewed investigation.

Are you an American, or a partisan?

As for Satori, yes we rarely agree. I applaud your ability to deal with other posters on a thread-by-thread basis. It is what I try to do. Good on ya.

Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:46 am Post subject:

Gopher wrote:

Satori wrote:

Dont talk about discussing things substantial, you havent yet done that in this thread, just tried to deflect discussion from this scandal. The scandal involves...

If the scandal exists nowhere but here, that is because it was so effectively covered up.

That was not a propaganda video, it was a documentary. The facts in it are checkable. The fact that the three key figures were indeed charged, but not with the full set of allegations, show there is substance to the story. The fact that records have been sealed also shows that the full story has not come out and would be damaging to people in prominant positions of power. This shows the power of the FBI and the justice system to subvert the course of justice in order to protect powerful people. Real americans should be worried about that. Substantial enough for you?

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:01 am Post subject:

Satori wrote:

...Substantial enough for you?

Satori: be very clear where you are. Read the OP and the first two or three posts that follow it again.

You have intervened on a -- typical for the author -- overly-grandiose thread which carelessly, casually, and emotionally links multiple events over a broad space of time and presents this as proof that Republicans orchestrated and perpetrated 9/11, among other evil things. Are you sure that this is where you want to commit yourself and your credibility?

And let me clarify where I am: as far as pederasts in govt and govt branches and agencies having "covered up" specific instances of some of the behavior the propaganda piece presents, yes, that concerns me.

But we have already discussed this on this board, in an event with true relevance to "current events" as well, and you and I are probably not that far apart on this and other similar issues at all...

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=67330

Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject:

I'm not really concerned with the OPs theory that this proves 9/11 could have been a conspiracy. I don't agree, because that is not strong evidence.

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And let me clarify where I am: as far as pederasts in govt and govt branches and agencies having "covered up" specific instances of some of the behavior the propaganda piece presents, yes, that concerns me.

If it concerns you why do you use the judgemental and loaded term "propaganda peice" instead of "documentary. It did not seem very political to me. The lawyer guy did not seem at all focused on the fact that it was the Republican party, and merely concerned in general that it involved government institutions and how they are able to cover up for each other. It didn't seem like a smear campaign against republicans. You could have used much more lugubrious language choices if you had wanted to taint the party. It seemed very steady and even handed, and seemed to be about wanting justice. What I found most chilling about it was the power of the FBI. I think they are out of control and operating almost independantly of any other entity, and they kill people, not just foreign dictators, they kill americans, and do it with impunity. And I'm glad I'm not from america, I think it's deeply deeply rotten to the core at this stage of the game, and the problems seem systemic, endemic, and intractable.

I'll expand out. 80% of votes collected with Diebold machines? Please! The company has clear strong ties to the republican party and several members have been charged with major frauds. When is american going to get serious about democracy again like it used to be? America talks loud internationally about democracy and freedom, but at home you have neither.

Campaign finance, basically rich people can buy political influence. That is out of hand and highly undemocratic.

Go back to paper ballots, it worked before. Just print them clearly. They are harder to rig. And make sure that no partisan groups are anywhere near any kind of election admin duties.

And get rif of polical contributions. The government should be able to run the country without them, if not, something is not right with the math. Make it impossible to peddle influence.

Clean up the rules about campaign tv ads. You should not be able to mention your opponent at all, only your policies. There is far too much absolute rubbish told to the public. There should be huge fines for telling false things to the public.

Abolish the Fed, it should be the government that controls the money.

Get the FBI under control, they should be strictly controlled and answerable to the government. I know they are theoretically but not in practice.

Outlaw handguns entirely, for everyone, everywhere. A tech9 is not for hunting, it has no other purpose than killing a person.

Legalise gay marriage, get it over with and out of the way, it's going to happen anyway. It's a complete red herring that stops serious debate on real issues like what the money is spent on.

Legalise pot and decriminalise all drugs. Stop wasting the cops time and money so they can go after the real criminals, white collar criminals, robbers, and murders.

Legalise prostitution, tax it, reform it, then forget about it. It's never going away.

Pour huge amounts of money into alternative energy. Get the states weaned off oil quick.

Pull out of Afganastan and Iraq.

Focus on regime change in N Korea and unification. Make China a very close ally not an enemy. Then you have Japan, Korea, and China on board. Make these countries rich, and friendly, and you wont have to worry about the middle east, you'll have the world sewn up for the next 100 years.

There, I've just told you how to get your country back on track. Better get to work...

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject:

Satori wrote:

I'll expand...When is [A]merica going to get serious about democracy again like it used to be? America talks loud internationally about democracy and freedom, but at home you have neither....And I'm glad I'm not from [A]merica, I think it's deeply deeply rotten to the core at this stage of the game, and the problems seem systemic, endemic, and intractable...

Campaign finance...Go back to paper ballots...And get [rid] of polical contributions...Clean up the rules...Abolish the Fed...Get the FBI under control, they should be strictly controlled and answerable to the government. I know they are theoretically but not in practice...I think they are out of control and operating almost independantly of any other entity, and they kill people, not just foreign dictators, they kill [A]mericans, and do it with impunity. Outlaw handguns entirely, for everyone, everywhere...Legalise gay marriage...Legalise pot and decriminalise all drugs....Legalise prostitution...Pour huge amounts of money into alternative energy. Get the states weaned off oil quick....Pull out of Afganastan and Iraq...

There, I've just told you how to get your country back on track. Better get to work...

So, if what this is really about, for OP, is proving his pet 9/11 conspiracy project and taking advantage of another opportunity to launch into a diatribe against the Republican Party, what this is really about for you is an opportunity to push a far left agenda and lecture the United States, which, you allege, is "rotten." (You are a Canadian liberal, aren't you?)

It actually has little to do with pedarasts.

Glad we could straighten this out.

And this is the point where I point out that you antiAmericanism is so bitter and deeply-entrenched that it taints anything you think or say about the United States. This is also where some outraged third-party attacks me for being too nationalist and sensitive and unable to take criticism where criticism is due, among other things... Rolling Eyes

In any case, I'm through with this thread. I am satisfied that I know exactly what it is all about. Urban, anything to add at this point?

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