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thepeel
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Yeah, I want the state raising my kids.
Reminds me of the song at the beginning of "Weeds" about people being put in boxes and sent out into the world.
Ugh, I can just imagine how politically correct those day-cares would be. Rooms full of kids staring at the state employee singing "Canada is multicultural, Canada likes peace-keeping". In fact, they could just have them sing that Molsen Canadian commercial 'Joe canada' or whatever. |
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freethought
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| Giving the parents the money that would have gone there otherwise is another biggie and a plus for the side of Harper. |
just based on your responses you don't 'think' or know very much, do you? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| Why do you say that? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Giving the parents the money that would have gone there otherwise is another biggie and a plus for the side of Harper. |
just based on your responses you don't 'think' or know very much, do you? |
Projection is a terrible thing. But you can get help for it, you know. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:38 am Post subject: |
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[quote="TheUrbanMyth"]Giving the parents the money that would have gone there otherwise is another biggie and a plus for the side of Harper.[/quote
That is so wrong. If you had any idea how the poor live in Canada, you would eat those words. It's not enough for poor people, who would have had it all paid for by the liberal plan. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
Yeah, I want the state raising my kids.
Reminds me of the song at the beginning of "Weeds" about people being put in boxes and sent out into the world.
Ugh, I can just imagine how politically correct those day-cares would be. Rooms full of kids staring at the state employee singing "Canada is multicultural, Canada likes peace-keeping". In fact, they could just have them sing that Molsen Canadian commercial 'Joe canada' or whatever. |
They were not government sponsored daycares. Your comments are baseless. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:42 am Post subject: |
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Giving the parents the money that would have gone there otherwise is another biggie and a plus for the side of Harper.[/quote
That is so wrong. If you had any idea how the poor live in Canada, you would eat those words. It's not enough for poor people, who would have had it all paid for by the liberal plan. |
You don't even know me. For all you know I could have been poor in Canada or know people who are poor in Canada. Not all of us had silver spoons in our mouths (not saying YOU did, just mentioning something you seem to have overlooked).
And how do you know it's not enough for poor people? Have you canvassed the neighborhoods? Do you have links where a majority of these "poor" people in Canada are protesting the plan? Do you have ANY conclusive proof at all to back up this statement? |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:47 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Giving the parents the money that would have gone there otherwise is another biggie and a plus for the side of Harper. |
That is so wrong. If you had any idea how the poor live in Canada, you would eat those words. It's not enough for poor people, who would have had it all paid for by the liberal plan. |
You don't even know me. For all you know I could have been poor in Canada or know people who are poor in Canada. Not all of us had silver spoons in our mouths (not saying YOU did, just mentioning something you seem to have overlooked).
And how do you know it's not enough for poor people? Have you canvassed the neighborhoods? Do you have links where a majority of these "poor" people in Canada are protesting the plan? Do you have ANY conclusive proof at all to back up this statement? |
Ha, your normal baseless accusations are not going to help you this tiime. Being a part of a foster home for over 15 years, I have not only seen and known more poor people than you will ever (and know their opinions on this), but know them and their lives very well. And I have seen the people who are in the level below poor (most people don't even know that level exists).
Second, my dad is a janitor (was a truck driver, a taxi driver and a crate lifter) and my mother was a secretary.
I have seen your posts. You do not know what the poor truly live like. Your opinions on social programs show me that there is no way you understand what being poor is. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Giving the parents the money that would have gone there otherwise is another biggie and a plus for the side of Harper.[/quote
That is so wrong. If you had any idea how the poor live in Canada, you would eat those words. It's not enough for poor people, who would have had it all paid for by the liberal plan. |
You don't even know me. For all you know I could have been poor in Canada or know people who are poor in Canada. Not all of us had silver spoons in our mouths (not saying YOU did, just mentioning something you seem to have overlooked).
And how do you know it's not enough for poor people? Have you canvassed the neighborhoods? Do you have links where a majority of these "poor" people in Canada are protesting the plan? Do you have ANY conclusive proof at all to back up this statement? |
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(1) Ha, your stupid accusations are going to really get you this time. Being a part of a foster home for over 15 years, I have not only seen and known more poor people than you will ever (and know their opinions on this), but know them and their lives very well. And I have seen the people who are in the level below poor (most people don't even know that level exists).
Second, my dad is a janitor (was a truck driver, a taxi driver and a crate lifter) and my mother was a secretary.
I have seen your posts. (2)You do not know what the poor truly live like. Your opinions on social programs show me that there is no way you understand what being poor is. |
(numbers are mine)
1. First of all I made no "accusations". Learn to tell the difference between an accusation (which is a statement) and a QUESTION. If I had said "you don't know what being poor is like." that would be an accusation. But I never said that nor was it implied. I wanted to know what PROOF you had. Since you believe that ancedotal evidence is proof, well that brings us to point number 2
2. I have been in situations where I was living on $400 Canadian a month. Don't tell me I don't know what "poor" is. Sure not living on the streets poor ( but I certainly know what it is like going to bed hungry every night). You are the only one making accusations here.
But you know what? I pulled myself "up by the bootstraps" so as to speak, got a decent job in Canada (after a couple of not so decent ones) and later went to Korea, where I remain to this day. I believe if I can do it then so can MOST people. Hence my "supposed "views on social programs.
Yes I think parents should and can do a better job of raising their own children than the state can. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Giving the parents the money that would have gone there otherwise is another biggie and a plus for the side of Harper.[/quote
That is so wrong. If you had any idea how the poor live in Canada, you would eat those words. It's not enough for poor people, who would have had it all paid for by the liberal plan. |
You don't even know me. For all you know I could have been poor in Canada or know people who are poor in Canada. Not all of us had silver spoons in our mouths (not saying YOU did, just mentioning something you seem to have overlooked).
And how do you know it's not enough for poor people? Have you canvassed the neighborhoods? Do you have links where a majority of these "poor" people in Canada are protesting the plan? Do you have ANY conclusive proof at all to back up this statement? |
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(1) Ha, your stupid accusations are going to really get you this time. Being a part of a foster home for over 15 years, I have not only seen and known more poor people than you will ever (and know their opinions on this), but know them and their lives very well. And I have seen the people who are in the level below poor (most people don't even know that level exists).
Second, my dad is a janitor (was a truck driver, a taxi driver and a crate lifter) and my mother was a secretary.
I have seen your posts. (2)You do not know what the poor truly live like. Your opinions on social programs show me that there is no way you understand what being poor is. |
(numbers are mine)
1. First of all I made no "accusations". Learn to tell the difference between an accusation (which is a statement) and a QUESTION. If I had said "you don't know what being poor is like." that would be an accusation. But I never said that nor was it implied. I wanted to know what PROOF you had. Since you believe that ancedotal evidence is proof, well that brings us to point number 2
2. I have been in situations where I was living on $400 Canadian a month. Don't tell me I don't know what "poor" is. Sure not living on the streets poor ( but I certainly know what it is like going to bed hungry every night).
But you know what? I pulled myself "up by the bootstraps" so as to speak, got a decent job in Canada (after a couple of not so decent ones) and later went to Korea, where I remain to this day. I believe if I can do it then so can MOST people. Hence my views on social programs. |
I pulled myself out too. I paid for all my schooling and worked 30 hours a week while studying full time to do it. This isn't a pissing contest.
But you were not poor. You yet again show you have no idea how a single mother who had to leave an abusive relationship suddenly would need assistance. Or someone who was not able to get a high school degree and has a mentally challenged child. Or someone with a disability who has no family to fall back on. Or even an FAS child with no family who couldn't even get a job in the military (actually, that story has turned around, I am so proud of what that kid managed to accomplish recently). The conservative's plan IS NOT better at all for poor people.
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| And how do you know it's not enough for poor people? Have you canvassed the neighborhoods? Do you have links where a majority of these "poor" people in Canada are protesting the plan? Do you have ANY conclusive proof at all to back up this statement? |
is not just a question, and has an accusation in it that I am pulling this up from nothing. Though, to answer your "question", I have pretty much done all of those things. So, I assume you will now defer to my statement that poor people will be screwed by this (as it's not enough) and don't like it. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| BJWD wrote: |
Yeah, I want the state raising my kids.
Reminds me of the song at the beginning of "Weeds" about people being put in boxes and sent out into the world.
Ugh, I can just imagine how politically correct those day-cares would be. Rooms full of kids staring at the state employee singing "Canada is multicultural, Canada likes peace-keeping". In fact, they could just have them sing that Molsen Canadian commercial 'Joe canada' or whatever. |
They were not government sponsored daycares. Your comments are baseless. |
http://www.liberal.ca/news_e.aspx?id=1133
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The Liberal child care plan will mean that Canadian children will benefit from safe, secure regulated facilities, licensed instructors, and an emphasis on learning and development. |
Regulated. Licensed. Hmmm. Nope. There won't be any political interference in that at all. An emphasis on learning what, exactly? What kinda "development" do you think they will be after?
Into the boxes they go! |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:25 am Post subject: |
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http://www.liberal.ca/news_e.aspx?id=1133
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The Liberal child care plan will mean that Canadian children will benefit from safe, secure regulated facilities, licensed instructors, and an emphasis on learning and development. |
Regulated. Licensed. Hmmm. Nope. There won't be any political interference in that at all. An emphasis on learning what, exactly? What kinda "development" do you think they will be after?
Into the boxes they go! |
Oh come on. You sound like IGTG, you just need some funky formatting. You have a problem with licensed instructors? All it would have been is a daycare would have to have inspectors come in and deem it ok for a daycare. My god, your post has to be a joke. That kind of thinking requires a tin-foiled hat. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:26 am Post subject: |
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And I just love the pissin contest you two are in.
But, from a public policy standpoint, you don't create programs that affect many people if only a small group are harmed from its not existing. If it is about the ultra poor then have programs for the ultra poor. You don't need a program that is for "all Canadians". That reeks of social engineering and ideological posturing.
In other words, just because you grew up dirt poor doesn't mean that I will want my kids to attend a government regulated daycare, so don't make us create "spots" for them in those facilities. We can deal with your needs without such a massive expense. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
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http://www.liberal.ca/news_e.aspx?id=1133
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The Liberal child care plan will mean that Canadian children will benefit from safe, secure regulated facilities, licensed instructors, and an emphasis on learning and development. |
Regulated. Licensed. Hmmm. Nope. There won't be any political interference in that at all. An emphasis on learning what, exactly? What kinda "development" do you think they will be after?
Into the boxes they go! |
Oh come on. You sound like IGTG, you just need some funky formatting. You have a problem with licensed instructors? All it would have been is a daycare would have to have inspectors come in and deem it ok for a daycare. My god, your post has to be a joke. That kind of thinking requires a tin-foiled hat. |
Are you sure about that? There will be no ideological agenda in the education? None? In Canada?
The point of public education is to shatter individuality and create submissive, brainwashed citizens. This "program" would simply be starting at an earlier age. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:29 am Post subject: |
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And I just love the pissin contest you two are in.
But, from a public policy standpoint, you don't create programs that affect many people if only a small group are harmed from its not existing. If it is about the ultra poor then have programs for the ultra poor. You don't need a program that is for "all Canadians". That reeks of social engineering and ideological posturing.
In other words, just because you grew up dirt poor doesn't mean that I will want my kids to attend a government regulated daycare, so don't make us create "spots" for them in those facilities. We can deal with your needs without such a massive expense. |
You want an unregulated daycare? Are you high at the moment? |
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