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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Maybe his next doc will be on CNN. |
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Satori
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Whether that's true or not is immaterial. It's how a director presents the narrative that connects the facts that matters and in this regard Moore is as polemic as they come. |
Doh, a documentary maker having something say, how outrageous!  ALL political commentators are polemicists, so that's a moot issue. He is far more credible, wholesome, serious, and mainstream than a banshee like Coulter, so give it up. The discussion is not about whether or not he has a position, of course he does, it's about whether or not that position is based on factual data, and whether it's a good position. In this case, the answer to both questions is yes, and even a number of die hard conservatives agree. |
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Tokki1
Joined: 14 May 2007
Location: The gap between the Korean superiority and inferiority complex
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| Glad I'm Canadian. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| Great interview. He's an angry fella, and I respect that. |
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stevemcgarrett
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:16 am Post subject: |
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The Bobster wrote:
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| Great interview. He's an angry fella, and I respect that. |
Of course you do, as a liberal you thrive on emotions. So a whiny halfwit like Moore is right up your alley.
It's hilarious how he bemoans CNN ignoring him for three years and then Blitzer casually replies that he'd been invited many times to appear and declined. Nothing disingenuous or self-serving about that anger, eh?
I wish I had the time to catalogue all the half-truths and outright lies in Fahrenheit 9-11. |
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Homer
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But ....Steve....Wolfie sure did not answer Moores' questions now did he?
Then, after the interview, some yougn anchor woman pulled Moore through the mud.
He was ranting...thats what he does (for effect I assume) but he hit one thing dead on target: most of the media in the US did a piss poor job back in 2003 when the Bush administration was lying through its teeth about Iraq and ramming a war down the throat of the US citizens. Even you steve have to admit that there are no WMDs in Iraq....so the pretense of the invasion was a lie...how can you defend that? |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| Yep and Moore did as much as anyone to give the 2004 election to Bush. Moore sitting in the Republican convention looking like a fat unkept caraciture of a Human being, being shredded by speaker after speaker was not a pretty sight. A sick lonely trapped rat smile was all he could manage. |
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swetepete
Joined: 01 Nov 2006
Location: a limp little burg
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:59 am Post subject: |
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Might have a point there Contrarian.
One thing polemicists do well is polarize the opposition, and drive middle-of-the-roaders into one camp or the other. This is a disservice to their causes, and muddies the arena so bad we all of us come out covered in shytte, the shiny ideological uniforms we'd worn so proudly all reduced to the same soiled brown poopstained rags, regardless of what faction it was we went to battle for in the first place.
Honestly, while I agree with a lot of Moore's observations, I find myself wanting to disagree with him a lot of the time simply because he's so irritatingly snide and sanctimonious. Ditto with the 'Loose Change' narrator guy, whatever the hell his name was. Whatever good points he had (and there may conceivably been a few) were lost in the delivery; he just sounded such a whinging little prat, I couldn't take anything he said seriously.
I find the same thing with a lot of neo-con spokespeople. I might be more inclined to agree, with this point or that, if not for the brow-beating and rank condescension that both sides tend to exhibit in what passes for political discourse. Regardless of whether I agree with Carville or Tucker, five minutes of crossfire makes me want to crack both their nasty little melons together, and or set them and their studio audience on fire.
As a liberal (for the most part) I have been dealing for over a decade now with the consequences of this whole PC trip, and its inevitable (and often deserved) backlash. When the vocal proponents of things I personally feel strongly about are so often such annoying twatz, the urge to become totally apolitical, or to go full misanthrope and simply broad-brush everybody into one deathcamp or another, becomes almost too strong to resist.
Almost. |
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Homer
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| I too agree with many of his views but I often strongly disagree with his methods, including how he simply warps facts and information in his "documentaries". He makes valid points and is loud because he needs to be but he does not make documentaries...he makes opinion pieces. |
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postfundie
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Moore has a long history of backing candidates that loose...Blame CNN for the war....hah what a laugh...maybe he wanted them to have more pictures of Iraq with kids flying kites....
as for the pipeline I should have said finished instead of constructed...
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Since the United States military overthrew the Taliban government the project has essentially stalled.
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sounds like moore's accusation was right on the money eh??? |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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It's hilarious how he bemoans CNN ignoring him for three years and then Blitzer casually replies that he'd been invited many times to appear and declined. Nothing disingenuous or self-serving about that anger, eh?
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He had been invited on, but only to do taped interviews, and they know he doesn't do taped interviews because they can and do edit them to misrepresent him. This was the first time in three years they had invited him to do a live interniew, so it was in fact Blitzer that was being disengenuous. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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I wish I had the time to catalogue all the half-truths and outright lies in Fahrenheit 9-11. |
Many much better than you have tried and failed. He has never been sucessfully sued for the content of any of his films or books, and that is not for lack of trying. That's because he has a rigorous fact checking process. This drives right wing nutjobs like you round the bend because you can't attack the legitimacy of his factual presentation with any kind of credibility at all. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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The Bobster wrote:
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| Great interview. He's an angry fella, and I respect that. |
Of course you do, as a liberal you thrive on emotions. So a whiny halfwit like Moore is right up your alley.
It's hilarious how he bemoans CNN ignoring him for three years and then Blitzer casually replies that he'd been invited many times to appear and declined. Nothing disingenuous or self-serving about that anger, eh?
I wish I had the time to catalogue all the half-truths and outright lies in Fahrenheit 9-11. |
Gee.... are you sure? What about these: "Mission accomplished", "They hate us because of our freedom", "God Bless America", "Orange Alert!", the 'Patriot' Act, "Read my lips: no new taxes", and my favorite : "weapons of mass destruction". |
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Tokki1
Joined: 14 May 2007
Location: The gap between the Korean superiority and inferiority complex
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The Bobster wrote:
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| Great interview. He's an angry fella, and I respect that. |
Of course you do, as a liberal you thrive on emotions. So a whiny halfwit like Moore is right up your alley.
It's hilarious how he bemoans CNN ignoring him for three years and then Blitzer casually replies that he'd been invited many times to appear and declined. Nothing disingenuous or self-serving about that anger, eh?
I wish I had the time to catalogue all the half-truths and outright lies in Fahrenheit 9-11. |
Michael Moore, and all his fans. Bunch of commies, huh?
People like you should be put in a sack of rocks and dropped in the Pacific.
If you don't question your own government you have major issues. If you don't question the media you're hooped. Get a clue, man.
Blind faith=a handicap.
By the way, fire can't melt steel. But if your government and media tells you that it can, you just accept it. Oh those crazy Middle Eastern terrorists! What a great job the States is doing! /salute
(insert explanation here that I'm being sarcastic for all the retards who are gonna flame the *beep* out of me for being 'anti American' just for sticking my middle finger up the ass of its administration). |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Even you steve have to admit that there are no WMDs in Iraq....so the pretense of the invasion was a lie...how can you defend that? |
I don't need to ADMIT anything; it's plain enough that weapons have not been found. But that does not negate the legitimate concern going in that they had them--Saddam certainly wasn't denying the charge. Furthermore, it's a stretch to insist that the Bush Administration was lying because none were found. Everyone (including the British and Russians) were operating on faulty intelligence. You may choose to infer this course of action as dissembling but that doesn't in and of its own accord make it so. I love the way the anti-Bush crowd employs a backward logic--so typical.
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| they know he doesn't do taped interviews because they can and do edit them to misrepresent him |
Gee, are you suggesting CNN operates in the manner by which FoxNews is accused? Perish the thought, oh Enlightened One. And supposing they have malicious intent, it would be no more worse than Moore impugning motives to Bush. I still get a laugh out of his desperate bid to suggest the President was irresponsible for not getting up immediately and leaving those elementary school kids in Florida when an aid told him of the attacks.
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| He has never been sucessfully sued for the content |
I see. So that negates any possibility that he might have manipulated facts? C'mon, our courts insist on guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Moore's team deftly manages to avoid going over the top. That doesn't mean therefore that his reportage is accurate or fair.
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| Read my lips: no new taxes |
Uh, that was uttered by Bush's father after he was duped by the Democrat leadership in Congress because he was foolish enough to take them at their word. As for "Mission Accomplished," one could argue that it was in strict reference to the invasion, which indeed was accomplished. Bush detractors, of course, always exploit that sign to signify something more than that, i.e., the end of hostilities in Iraq. Nice try.
Tokki wrote:
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| Michael Moore, and all his fans. Bunch of commies, huh? |
No, I didn't say that. But they are a bunch of wannabe socialists and did prop up a commie dictator in Fidel.
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| If you don't question your own government you have major issues |
So let's see if I understand you correctly: if I don't question my government over the same concerns that you have it means I'm following in blind faith. If you'd bother to read some of my earlier posts on other threads you'd know that I'm an independent voter and have been since 1990. So save your pathetic lecture for someone more of your ilk. |
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