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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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With a couple of exceptions this thread has more whining, spoiled momma's boys than i would have believed.
Korea has its laws, its own legal sytem and its own ways of enforcing the law. I have, in may ways, found the law enforecment here to be very lenient. Mind you the traffic laws are the only thing I have problems with. I have the same problem back in Canada. My fault!
Want some advice. If you don't like the Korean drug laws don't come here. If you do come don't do drugs. Period.
If you want to get p1ssed and party, then you take your chances. Stay sober and save your money.
If you want to get laid, then be careful.
If you think you have a right to teach privates, against the law and you get caught, I have zero sympathy. You know the rules and you break them. I wound up on somne police sting list and for about 2 years, I got job offers. I invariably refused. Why was I on the list. Well, I taught a winter camp, and the director "forgot" to do the papeer work. Immigartion came in. I showed them all I had done to comply.
They deported two Brits who were working with me, The fined the director but not me. But the suspicion started. I got off easy, but it was my own fault. I should have followed up the paper work
Whine snivel, b1tch and complain. Their country their tules. |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| contrarian wrote: |
With a couple of exceptions this thread has more whining, spoiled momma's boys than i would have believed.
Korea has its laws, its own legal sytem and its own ways of enforcing the law. I have, in may ways, found the law enforecment here to be very lenient. Mind you the traffic laws are the only thing I have problems with. I have the same problem back in Canada. My fault!
Want some advice. If you don't like the Korean drug laws don't come here. If you do come don't do drugs. Period.
If you want to get p1ssed and party, then you take your chances. Stay sober and save your money.
If you want to get laid, then be careful.
If you think you have a right to teach privates, against the law and you get caught, I have zero sympathy. You know the rules and you break them. I wound up on somne police sting list and for about 2 years, I got job offers. I invariably refused. Why was I on the list. Well, I taught a winter camp, and the director "forgot" to do the papeer work. Immigartion came in. I showed them all I had done to comply.
They deported two Brits who were working with me, The fined the director but not me. But the suspicion started. I got off easy, but it was my own fault. I should have followed up the paper work
Whine snivel, b1tch and complain. Their country their tules. |
dammn straight.
havent seen this many whiners since i posted grades last semester |
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The_Eyeball_Kid
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| contrarian wrote: |
With a couple of exceptions this thread has more whining, spoiled momma's boys than i would have believed.
Korea has its laws, its own legal sytem and its own ways of enforcing the law. I have, in may ways, found the law enforecment here to be very lenient. Mind you the traffic laws are the only thing I have problems with. I have the same problem back in Canada. My fault!
Want some advice. If you don't like the Korean drug laws don't come here. If you do come don't do drugs. Period.
If you want to get p1ssed and party, then you take your chances. Stay sober and save your money.
If you want to get laid, then be careful.
If you think you have a right to teach privates, against the law and you get caught, I have zero sympathy. You know the rules and you break them. I wound up on somne police sting list and for about 2 years, I got job offers. I invariably refused. Why was I on the list. Well, I taught a winter camp, and the director "forgot" to do the papeer work. Immigartion came in. I showed them all I had done to comply.
They deported two Brits who were working with me, The fined the director but not me. But the suspicion started. I got off easy, but it was my own fault. I should have followed up the paper work
Whine snivel, b1tch and complain. Their country their tules. |
Yas sir, massa! They's the rules! What is we to do? |
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Jizzo T. Clown
Joined: 27 Mar 2006
Location: at my wit's end
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| As for the degree mills in Thailand, that's a case of the supply responding to the demand. If immi did its job and actually screened teachers' credentials, this problem wouldn't exist. All this report shows is that Korea is lax in its immigration policy because the country is desperate for native teachers. The day Korea starts doing its homework and requiring more than a degree and a pulse, the negative foreigner stereotypes will disappear because all of the troublemakers will have been weeded out. |
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Optimus Prime
Joined: 05 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| Jizzo T. Clown wrote: |
| the negative foreigner stereotypes will disappear because all of the troublemakers will have been weeded out. |
Nice-uh.
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wo buxihuan hanguoren
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Location: Suyuskis
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| I thought this thread was going to be about biased journalism, and not Korea's archaic drug laws. What a yawn to read. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| Eyeball, I certainly hope you don't think your post above was either contributing to the discussion or representative of polite discourse. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| contrarian wrote: |
With a couple of exceptions this thread has more whining, spoiled momma's boys than i would have believed.
Korea has its laws, its own legal sytem and its own ways of enforcing the law. I have, in may ways, found the law enforecment here to be very lenient. Mind you the traffic laws are the only thing I have problems with. I have the same problem back in Canada. My fault!
Want some advice. If you don't like the Korean drug laws don't come here. If you do come don't do drugs. Period.
If you want to get p1ssed and party, then you take your chances. Stay sober and save your money.
If you want to get laid, then be careful.
If you think you have a right to teach privates, against the law and you get caught, I have zero sympathy. You know the rules and you break them. I wound up on somne police sting list and for about 2 years, I got job offers. I invariably refused. Why was I on the list. Well, I taught a winter camp, and the director "forgot" to do the papeer work. Immigartion came in. I showed them all I had done to comply.
They deported two Brits who were working with me, The fined the director but not me. But the suspicion started. I got off easy, but it was my own fault. I should have followed up the paper work
Whine snivel, b1tch and complain. Their country their tules. |
Agreed. Except for the part about getting pissed and getting laid. No laws broken there. |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:49 am Post subject: |
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while i don't think that korea should try to be placing a bunch of blame of foreigners for various things, you can't defend the guy.
caught smoking weed, smoking weed in korea is illegal.
police and news crews cooperate all the time in the US.
just go to any local news site and look for stories where the news crew has teamed up with the police to catch pedophiles.
hagwons need to be more serious about hiring better people. i don't think a background check is too much to ask. heck even the JET program is doing it.
if they hire trash, that's what they are going to get.
but smoking weed and doing drugs is disgusting, and if you get busted you gotta pay the price. |
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The_Eyeball_Kid
Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Eyeball, I certainly hope you don't think your post above was either contributing to the discussion or representative of polite discourse. |
Sorry - I was making a rhetorical point that was possibly lost on you. |
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earthbound14
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:57 am Post subject: Re: in depth 60 minutes: KBS' expose on English teachers. |
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[ and second the punishment goes well beyond what might considered to be reasonable. The fact is regardless of what country this is, regardless of Korean culture the law is overbearing bordering on an infringement of basic human rights, even if that right is as petty as getting stoned.
So who made you a legal expert on what the punishment should be? This is Korea and Koreans decide. NOBODY else has any say or input. And that's the way it should be. If a bunch of Muslims came to say Canada or the U.S and started saying "Hey we should deal with criminals the same way we do in our countries...." we'll tell them to get lost.
Regardless of where you may be the punishment does not fit the crime and it's time for some change, despite the poor judgment of those who are being arrested. Just as I wouldn't want to see a Canadian girl put in prison for baring too much skin in a strict muslim country. I don't want to see these tokers put away, for something so clearly petty. |
Again if Muslims came to your country and started saying "we should implement Sharia law." what would you think? Do you think that non-citizens should be able to decide what crimes are and what punishments should be? Or is that only for Western 'enlightened' people to decide? |
while your comment rings of political correctness.....um, its still stupid. Canada allows Sieks to wear turbuns in the police force, Canada allows muslims to fast and pray while in the military. Enforcing others to cover themselves completely is sexist and is against ones basic human rights. If a women so choses to cover her self in Canada, she is allowed, but I can't ask her to do it. I'm not asking that Korean be forced to smoke pot on my behalf. Being rational despite legality would be nice. Accurate journalism would be nice. It has nothing to do with being western and enlightened. It comes down to basic human rights. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| The_Eyeball_Kid wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| Eyeball, I certainly hope you don't think your post above was either contributing to the discussion or representative of polite discourse. |
Sorry - I was making a rhetorical point that was possibly lost on you. |
It wasn't lost. Neither was the fact that it was quite impolite and not very conducive to intelligent debate. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: in depth 60 minutes: KBS' expose on English teachers. |
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[ and second the punishment goes well beyond what might considered to be reasonable. The fact is regardless of what country this is, regardless of Korean culture the law is overbearing bordering on an infringement of basic human rights, even if that right is as petty as getting stoned.
So who made you a legal expert on what the punishment should be? This is Korea and Koreans decide. NOBODY else has any say or input. And that's the way it should be. If a bunch of Muslims came to say Canada or the U.S and started saying "Hey we should deal with criminals the same way we do in our countries...." we'll tell them to get lost.
Regardless of where you may be the punishment does not fit the crime and it's time for some change, despite the poor judgment of those who are being arrested. Just as I wouldn't want to see a Canadian girl put in prison for baring too much skin in a strict muslim country. I don't want to see these tokers put away, for something so clearly petty. |
Again if Muslims came to your country and started saying "we should implement Sharia law." what would you think? Do you think that non-citizens should be able to decide what crimes are and what punishments should be? Or is that only for Western 'enlightened' people to decide? |
while your comment rings of political correctness.....um, its still stupid. Canada allows Sieks to wear turbuns in the police force, Canada allows muslims to fast and pray while in the military. Enforcing others to cover themselves completely is sexist and is against ones basic human rights. If a women so choses to cover her self in Canada, she is allowed, but I can't ask her to do it. I'm not asking that Korean be forced to smoke pot on my behalf. Being rational despite legality would be nice. Accurate journalism would be nice. It has nothing to do with being western and enlightened. It comes down to basic human rights. |
Political correctness? Where did you get that? I don't think you know what that term means. Telling an ethnic group "to get lost" as I said above is hardly politically correct. I was pointing out that non-citizens do not get to make the laws. Not in Korea, not in Canada, not anywhere that I know...unless it's by military conquest.
Turbans are an expression of freedom of religion which is guaranted in Canada's laws.
Pot smoking is not a basic human right. Nor is it enshrined in any laws as said right.
That said I do disagree with Korea's laws regarding pot smoking...they're not nearly strict enough obviously as people are still getting caught every year. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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This journalistic "expose" only goes to further cement my view that not only is Korean society xenophobic but unwilling to treat foreigners as guests.
Consider this irony: in China, which has a more authoritarian government and completely controls the mass media, you will NEVER, repeat NEVER, see a show like this.
Despite the fact that some expat teachers in China are deserving of scrutiny, jail time, and being deported, it just won't happen.
The reason is simple: the Chinese play the role of host to their foreign guests. They value their image as good hosts. They care about mutual face and they consider very rude to reveal in public transgressions that even the West receive exposure.
Whenever I read Korean apologist posters here declare or insinuate that the Chinese are disdainful of foreigners, xenophobic, etc. I will remember stories like these.
And, yes, this is yet another reason why I don't like living here and why I'm counting down the months to departure. |
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earthbound14
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: in depth 60 minutes: KBS' expose on English teachers. |
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
| earthbound14 wrote: |
| The_Conservative wrote: |
| earthbound14 wrote: |
[ and second the punishment goes well beyond what might considered to be reasonable. The fact is regardless of what country this is, regardless of Korean culture the law is overbearing bordering on an infringement of basic human rights, even if that right is as petty as getting stoned.
So who made you a legal expert on what the punishment should be? This is Korea and Koreans decide. NOBODY else has any say or input. And that's the way it should be. If a bunch of Muslims came to say Canada or the U.S and started saying "Hey we should deal with criminals the same way we do in our countries...." we'll tell them to get lost.
Regardless of where you may be the punishment does not fit the crime and it's time for some change, despite the poor judgment of those who are being arrested. Just as I wouldn't want to see a Canadian girl put in prison for baring too much skin in a strict muslim country. I don't want to see these tokers put away, for something so clearly petty. |
Again if Muslims came to your country and started saying "we should implement Sharia law." what would you think? Do you think that non-citizens should be able to decide what crimes are and what punishments should be? Or is that only for Western 'enlightened' people to decide? |
while your comment rings of political correctness.....um, its still stupid. Canada allows Sieks to wear turbuns in the police force, Canada allows muslims to fast and pray while in the military. Enforcing others to cover themselves completely is sexist and is against ones basic human rights. If a women so choses to cover her self in Canada, she is allowed, but I can't ask her to do it. I'm not asking that Korean be forced to smoke pot on my behalf. Being rational despite legality would be nice. Accurate journalism would be nice. It has nothing to do with being western and enlightened. It comes down to basic human rights. |
Political correctness? Where did you get that? I don't think you know what that term means. Telling an ethnic group "to get lost" as I said above is hardly politically correct. I was pointing out that non-citizens do not get to make the laws. Not in Korea, not in Canada, not anywhere that I know...unless it's by military conquest.
Turbans are an expression of freedom of religion which is guaranted in Canada's laws.
Pot smoking is not a basic human right. Nor is it enshrined in any laws as said right.
That said I do disagree with Korea's laws regarding pot smoking...they're not nearly strict enough obviously as people are still getting caught every year. |
Pot is not a basic human right....no duh. But having the free choice to do something that does not harm others is, the right choice to make choices for your self is, the right to speak your mind is, including the percieved iinjustice of another countries laws. No one who supports the pot smoking teachers going to jail has given me a valid reason why this law should exist. Perhaps you think the strict law keeps a dangerous drug out of the country. Sure, but pot is medically proven not to be as dangerous as most drugs, and its not as dangerous as alot of legal drugs. The side effects of some prescription drugs are probably worse. So I still don't see the justification for STRICT laws against it. And I don't see why its being paraded around on the media either, it seems highly biased and inaccurate, and thus targeting foreigners. Regardless of our stance on marijuana we should all at least be question the the aims and results of this reporting.
As far as telling another ethnic group to get lost, I don't thinnk I said that. Ethnic groups do have some effect on the laws on Canada, of course those intrenched in the system have more (e.i. polititians - usually white male, business - still usually white male, and possibly highly active interest groups - anyone), but every one has the abillity to stand up and say if a law is crap or not. I know, I worked for the Red Cross, we helped newly landed refugees. I also worked in the army, along side my rahsta friend with dreds (no he couldn't smoke pot....we had guns and we were drug tested) and my muslim friend who freaked me out with constant chanting in our shared barracks. I valued these men and I'm glad our army and our government made adjustments for them as petty as they may have been (dreds and prayer). They got to keep their traditions in our army because others before them (minorities, it sure as hell wasn't white male officers) had fought and changed the rules. The army is a strict place, way more strict than Korea and a far harder beast to change. Christ, I had officers getting on my ass about my hair, about the length of my shirt sleeves, but when it came down to it they hadn't spent enough time in the field to properly read a map and the terrain. They could have spent their time a little more effectively, but freedom of speech is a little limited in the army and I couldn't say anything. At least in Korea I'm free to point out things that seems ridiculous without being charged with insubordination.....if a few of you foreigners would stop preaching about LAW, POT IS BAD and THIS ISN'T YOUR COUNTRY and you SHOUlDN'T TELL ANOTHER CULTURE WHAT TO DO!
give it a rest
head out of ass
wipe poo from eyes
open eyes
look
last I checked Korea was democratic......perhaps this is something we should be looking a......perhaps we should be a little worried about the fact that the reporting seems highly inaccurate, it seems to implicate only foreigners (who do you think grew it....probably some Koreans), the fact that all native ESL instructors are being put into question by a few pot smokers. |
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