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| Osama who? 9/11 what? Taliba-wha? |
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| We made this mess, and we're damned well going to stay there until we fix it |
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| The war of terrror is working! Things are terrifyingly bad |
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| I'll be honest: I don't care about this war outside of championing my political leanings. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| keane wrote: |
Truth huts, Kuros. The C/N-C's on this board are exactly like those in Washington: They ignore the truth with malice aforethought. They create their own "truth" with malice aforethought. They go personal at every opportunity. Straw men and ad hominem arguments are th norm.
It is why I am so active on this board. It is a small thing, but I refuse to let the garbage build up without cleaning it out regularly.
I have posted before, and will post again, examples of threads in which the C/N-C's like yourself (Yes, I know, you aren't one. You swear it.) not only initiate their participation in threads with personal attacks, straw men and ad hominems, but never add ANY substance to some threads. Tell us, why does this occur over and over and over? |
More self-righteousness. I'm not going to even address whether its accurate. I'm just going to say self-righteousness on a chatboard is wasted. And its boring.
I do know one thing, there is a habit by many people who INCESSENTLY criticize America on this board to just vomit on the screen. No new facts are introduced, and in some cases, when they are, they are too lazy to link them.
Why don't you explain, on the one hand, what political positions a conservative/neo-con would hold, and on the other hand, tell me what political positions a conservative/neo-con is unlikely to hold, and we'll see whether I'm a conservative/neo-con.
That is, unless you're more interested in launching ad hominems... |
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Don Gately
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Location: In a basement taking a severe beating
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| The real cause of terror is that mideast regimes and elites encourage it. |
Who are these elites? Are we invading them? It doesn't seem fair to only go after half the problem.
Also, just on a personal note, why do modern-day republicans get such a kick out of using adjectives as nouns, and vice-versa?
"He's an illegal." No, he's an illegal alien.
"He's a gay." No, he's a gay man.
"He's an elite." No, he's an elitist, or a member of an elite class.
"The democrat party. " One of Dubs' faves. He's a democrat. The party is democratic.
I guess it's the old standard about identifying with undereducated people through religion and down-homeisms so that the disenfranchised continue to see Harvard- and Yale-educated Trust-Fund brats as "their kinda folk" and vote against their own economic interests to perpetuate the oligarchists' dynasties of power...
...but it's tough on an English major's ears. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| keane wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| twg wrote: |
You guys always launch these personal attacks immediately against people who haven't done the same to you. The above is just another example of why the Current Events Forum is a pathetic joke: The same handful of users, pretending to be intelligent discussionists but are really little different from Osama Bin Ladin in their obsessiveness, hate of others and unwillingness to question their own views. |
Ugh, the self-righteousness in this post is unendurable.
Particularly given the source. |
Truth huts, Kuros. The C/N-C's on this board are exactly like those in Washington: They ignore the truth with malice aforethought. They create their own "truth" with malice aforethought. They go personal at every opportunity. Straw men and ad hominem arguments are th norm.
It is why I am so active on this board. It is a small thing, but I refuse to let the garbage build up without cleaning it out regularly.
I have posted before, and will post again, examples of threads in which the C/N-C's like yourself (Yes, I know, you aren't one. You swear it.) not only initiate their participation in threads with personal attacks, straw men and ad hominems, but never add ANY substance to some threads. Tell us, why does this occur over and over and over? |
And this post is a lovely example of "substance" isn't it?
But to answer your question. People have realized long ago that substance doesn't matter to you. The facts don't matter to you. The truth doesn't matter to you. Only your blind allegiance to "facts" that you built up in your head and convinced yourself were true. And when anyone disagreed with them you (as EFL) resorted to "personal attacks, straw men and ad hominems" galore even when people asked perfectly civil questions.
And now as "keane" you adopt a facade of being reasonable..only to find that your track record is such that no-one (apart from one or two from the far leftist fringe) is prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Sorry EFL but you bought this on yourself. When you first joined people were willing to engage with you but you were unwilling to accept any point of view other than yours. And you are doing the EXACT same thing again in every post on here. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| NPR.org, September 13, 2007 � President [W.] Bush says that he will bring 5,700 U.S. troops home from Iraq by Christmas...troop levels will be able to drop from 20 combat brigades to 15 [by summer 2008]. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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[quote="Don Gately"]
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| The real cause of terror is that mideast regimes and elites encourage it. |
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Who are these elites? Are we invading them? It doesn't seem fair to only go after half the problem. |
Well rich people in the gulf who support Al Qaeda and the clerics who call for holy war.
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ABC News: The Blotter
U.S.: Saudis Still Filling Al Qaeda's Coffers
September 11, 2007 5:40 PM
Brian Ross Reports:
Ussaudisstill_mn Despite six years of promises, U.S. officials say Saudi Arabia continues to look the other way at wealthy individuals identified as sending millions of dollars to al Qaeda.
"If I could somehow snap my fingers and cut off the funding from one country, it would be Saudi Arabia," Stuart Levey, the under secretary of the Treasury in charge of tracking terror financing, told ABC News.
Despite some efforts as a U.S. ally in the war on terror, Levey says Saudi Arabia has dropped the ball. Not one person identified by the United States and the United Nations as a terror financier has been prosecuted by the Saudis, Levey says.
"When the evidence is clear that these individuals have funded terrorist organizations, and knowingly done so, then that should be prosecuted and treated as real terrorism because it is," Levey says.
Among those on the donor list, according to U.S. officials, is Yasin al Qadi, a wealthy businessman named on both the U.S. and U.N. lists of al Qaeda financiers one month after the 9/11 attacks.
Click Here for Full Blotter Coverage.
Al Qadi, who has repeatedly denied the allegations, remains free, still a prominent figure in Saudi Arabia.
Al Qadi's London-based attorney, Guy Martin of Carter-Ruck law firm, said the United States has never produced any evidence in support of the allegations against his client.
"He hasn't been tried, let alone convicted, anywhere in any jurisdiction in the world," said Martin. "While allegations have been made, there have been no formal criminal proceedings."
"This is a financial Guantanamo to my client who is the victim of a gross and on-going miscarriage of justice," said Martin. "This is a Kafka situation where people are put on this list with no due process."
While the Saudi embassy had no comment regarding Levey's specific allegations, a spokesman did note that after the Sept. 11 attacks, the country took prompt action and "required Saudi banks to identify and freeze all assets relating to terrorist suspects and entities per the list issued by the United States government." The statement went on to say that "Saudi banks have complied with the freeze requirements and have initiated investigations of transactions that suspects linked to Al Qaeda may have undertaken in the past."
U.S. officials say they are equally frustrated with what they call the empty promises of Pakistan to go after al Qaeda's sanctuaries in their country.
Pakistan says it is willing to take action if the U.S. provides details.
"If they had specific information, they should share it with us, and we would go after them," Pakistani Ambassador to the U.N. Munir Akram told ABC News.
When asked whether the U.S. can trust his country, Ambassador Akram said, "Well, if the U.S. doesn�t trust Pakistan, how can Pakistan be an ally of the U.S.?"
A question echoed by many in the U.S.
With fresh funds and a safe haven, al Qaeda has been able to recruit and train a new class of terrorists as well as send out a stream of new propaganda tapes.
Just today, al Qaeda's leader Osama bin Laden was seen on a second video this week, introducing the video will of one of the 9/11 hijackers.
"And it remains for us to do our part," bin Laden said as he held up 9/11 hijacker Waleed al Shehri's life as an example. "So I tell every young man among the youth of Islam: it is your duty to join the caravan until the sufficiency is complete and the march to aid the High and Omnipotent continues."
U.S. officials fear there are more like al Shehri heeding bin Laden's call and coming now from Pakistan.
"The consequence is that there is in effect a sanctuary in the northwest part of Pakistan, just like the sanctuary that used to exist before we invaded Afghanistan," Richard Clarke, the former White House counterterrorism official and now ABC News consultant, said.
Rhonda Schwartz and Maddy Sauer contributed to this report.
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/09/us-saudis-still.html# |
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