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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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The art of neoconservative innuendo
In other words: you are all full of crap.
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(updated below - Update II - Update III)
Writing in National Review a couple of days ago, Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute blatantly violated the New Rule in America which prohibits questioning the credibility of a four-star General in a Time of War, when Ledeen (during a Time of War) attacked recently retired Four-Star General John Abizaid for explaining why a nuclear-armed Iran is less dangerous than a U.S. war with Iran. Said Ledeen in attacking the General:
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Abizaid Speaks! Oh Dear... [Michael Ledeen]
General Abizaid has unburdened himself on the subject of nuclear Iran. He thinks Iran is kinda like the Soviet Union, it's deterrable, and while he'd rather Iran not have nukes, all in all we could live with it. . . .
I'm grateful for this bit of enlightenment from the former commander of Central Command, whose failed strategy in Iraq led us to fight more effectively, especially against the Iranians' depredations in both Iraq and Afghanistan. It was under Abizaid that the copious evidence of Iranian activity was suppressed, and we, let's say, took it easy on the thousands of Revolutionary Guards killers running all over the country. He now wants to extend that policy to Iran itself. He's got plenty of company in Foggy Bottom, Langley, and the White House.
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So Gen. Abizaid, who "failed" in his mission, also "suppressed" the "copious evidence" of Iranian involvement in Iraq. That sounds like Ledeen is accusing General Abizaid of being less than honest -- how else can one characterize someone who "suppresses" evidence? -- and that, as we learned this week, is not allowed. The Commander-in-Chief just explained this morning that such attacks are "disgusting" and constitute attacks on The Troops Themselves.
This morning, Ledeen wrote a post reciting the only political argument he knows (other than slandering Four-Star Generals in a Time of War) -- namely, that we are at War with Iran and have been for 3 decades:
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But We Are at War with Iran [Michael Ledeen]
The current kerfluffle over Adhmadinejad's proposed pilgrimage to Ground Zero shows once again how bad ideas drag us irresistibly to bad policy. Having refused for nearly thirty years to deal with the reality that Iran declared war on us in 1979 and has been waging it ever since, we are now acting as if Iran were just another country and its president therefore entitled to all the usual courtesies for visiting foreign dignitaries.
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As I wrote recently:
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Ledeen is plagued by the single most absurd yet fundamental contradiction one can imagine. His central argument, repeated over and over and now a staple in neoconservative mythology, is that Iran has been at war with the U.S. continuously ever since 1979. We just haven't fought back yet.
Yet Ledeen played a central role in brokering the sale by Israel to Iran of highly advanced weapons as part of the Reagan administration's Iran-contra shenanigans in the 1980s. A military confrontation with Iran would likely subject U.S. troops to attack from the very same nasty weapons which Ledeen and his friends provided to Iran during a time when, Ledeen and neoconservatives now insist, Iran was waging war on the U.S. As Scott Lemieux, among many others, has noted, providing arms to a country "waging war against the U.S." -- as Ledeen did with Iran in the 1980s if his central premise is to be believed -- is called treason. |
As I've documented previously, one of the most intellectually dishonest attributes of neoconservatives generally -- one of the principal features that makes them such a corrosive presence in our political discourse -- is their fondness for trafficking in innuendo and argument by implication. |
This is how the C/N-c Faction works: bull. It is the only resource you have and the only one you really employ. Pretensions at something more exist in that you form you crap in to whole paragraphs at times, but in the end it is still just lies. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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I also began college (at UMass-Amherst) in 1967 - to complete the trifecta...
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WHO am I over-looking? I can't find anyone else who started in '67 except you and me.
I also notice that Stevie hasn't been back.  |
Are you sure Stevieboy isn't your evil nemesis sock? Have you been experiencing blackouts? Maybe he's your Hyde.
You've "both" been warned. I'm on to you. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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"keane" Glen Grenwald is in denial.
Iran has been engaged in a war against the US.
Shipment of high explosives intercepted in Iraq
Most sophisticated of roadside bombs reportedly coming from Iran
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8829929/
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9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
Senior U.S. officials have told TIME that the 9/11 Commission's report will cite evidence suggesting that the 9/11 hijackers had previously passed through Iran |
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html
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The American military said Tuesday that it had credible evidence linking Iranians and their Iraqi associates, detained here in raids last week, to criminal activities, including attacks against American forces. Evidence also emerged that some detainees had been involved in shipments of weapons to illegal armed groups in Iraq.
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http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F0061EF635550C748EDDAB0994DE404482
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On June 25, 1996, Iran again attacked America at Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, exploding a huge truck bomb that devastated Khobar Towers and murdered 19 U.S. airmen as they rested in their dormitory. These young heroes spent every day risking their lives enforcing the no-fly zone over southern Iraq; that is, protecting Iraqi Shiites from their own murderous tyrant. When I visited this horrific scene soon after the attack, I watched dozens of dedicated FBI agents combing through the wreckage in 120-degree heat, reverently handling the human remains of our brave young men. More than 400 of our Air Force men and women were wounded in this well-planned attack, and I was humbled by their courage and spirit. I later met with the families of our lost Khobar heroes and promised that we would do whatever was necessary to bring these terrorists to American justice. The courage and dignity these wonderful families have consistently exemplified has been one of the most powerful experiences of my 26 years of public service. |
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003518
Iran responsible for 1983 Marine barracks bombing, judge rules
Friday, May 30, 2003 Posted: 11:14 PM EDT (0314 GMT)
Marines search through the rubble for their missing comrades after the 1983 barracks bombing in Beirut, Lebanon.
Amir Taheri: Khomeinists hammering new strategy to oust 'Great Satan'
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But at almost exactly the same time, militants from some 40 countries spread across the globe were trekking to Tehran for a 10-day "revolutionary jamboree" in which "a new strategy to confront the American Great Satan" will be hammered out. The event is scheduled to start on February 1 to mark the 25th anniversary of the return to Iran from exile of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the "Islamic Revolution".
It is not clear how many militants will attend, but the official media promise a massive turnout to underline the Islamic Republic's position as the "throbbing heart of world resistance to American arrogance."
The guest list reads like a who-is-who of global terror.
In fact, most of the organisations attending the event, labelled "Ten-Days of Dawn", are branded by the US and some European Union members as terrorist outfits. For more than two decades, Tehran has been a magnet for militant groups from many different national and ideological backgrounds.
The Islamic Republic's hospitality cuts across even religious divides. Militant Sunni organisations, including two linked to Al Qaida, Ansar al-Islam (Companions of Islam) and Hizb Islami (The Islamic Party), enjoy Iranian hospitality.
They are joined by Latin American guerrilla outfits, clandestine Irish organisations, Basque and Corsican separatists, and a variety of leftist groups from Spartacists to Trotskyites and Guevarists. Tehran is the only capital where all the Palestinian militant movements have offices and, in some cases, training and financial facilities. |
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/04/01/28/109235.html
U.S.: Top Iran officials ordering bombs to Iraq
Orders to send armor-piercing bombs came from highest levels, official says
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17097658/
Document: Iran Caught Red-Handed Shipping Arms to Taliban
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June 06, 2007 6:00 PM
Brian Ross and Christopher Isham Report:
Document_iran_c_mn NATO officials say they have caught Iran red-handed, shipping heavy arms, C4 explosives and advanced roadside bombs to the Taliban for use against NATO forces, in what the officials say is a dramatic escalation of Iran's proxy war against the United States and Great Britain. |
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/06/document_iran_c.html
They support Hizzbollah who counterfeits US money and sells drugs.
They might also be behind the death squads in Iraq and inciting the violence there.
The regime also teaches hate and incites violence. One of the biggest reasons for terror is that mideast regimes teach hate and incite violence.
but I agree the US ough not to bomb Iran.
Instead the US ought to invest in and deploy
PROJECT THOR (Rods from God) .
Iran can have nuclear weapons but they must not be allowed the strategic benefits of possessing them. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Not only hasn't Stevie been back to this thread, he sent me a PM. A class act all the way around, Stevie. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Question:
How many people did that now defunct "WAR CRIMINAL" Saddam displace from their homes,
maim, rape, imprison, torture & murder?
2,000,000 Displaced Inside Iraq Since US Invasion 
Report by Herve Bar
Sat Sep 22, 7:11 AM ET
BAGHDAD (AFP) - Nearly two million Iraqis have fled their homes for other parts of Iraq since the US invasion, creating a "unprecedented human tragedy," the country's Red Crescent said in a report 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/iraqunrestdisplaced (etc)
Question:
WHERE'S THE ACCOUNTABILITY? |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| boogey-boogey-boogey!!! |
Tell us, what do the words evidence, supposedly, allegedly, claimed, etc., indicate?
Hint: not fact. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:19 am Post subject: |
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It shows Iran has been after the US for a while.
To say they arent' is to be in denial. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Do you believe that moveon.org was entirely fair in its characterization of Petraeus and how they reported his recent activities? |
A majority in the United States Senate, including Senator Hillary Clinton, agrees with you -- and some at the New York Times have now alleged something was afoot...
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(CNN) -- The public editor for The New York Times slammed his employer Sunday in a column, saying the newspaper violated its policies by cutting MoveOn.org a deal on a controversial ad criticizing the top U.S. military commander in Iraq.
"I think the ad violated The Times' own written standards, and the paper now says that the advertiser got a price break it was not entitled to," wrote Clark Hoyt, who analyzes the newspaper's coverage as the "readers' representative."
The group, Hoyt wrote, paid $64,575, which is the paper's "standby" rate -- meaning it cannot guarantee placement on a certain day.
The group wanted it to run on September 10, the day Gen. David Petraeus testified to Congress about the state of affairs in Iraq. The ad did run on that date, meaning MoveOn should have paid $142,083, he wrote.
In response, MoveOn announced it was never told of the error but will retroactively pay the higher rate -- even though it says the higher figure "is above the market rate paid by most" organizations.
The liberal advocacy group challenged former New York mayor and current Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani -- who paid the same lower rate for his response ad -- to follow its lead.
The New York Times said it had erred. Spokeswoman Catherine Mathis said the paper's earlier insistence that MoveOn had paid the standard rate was incorrect...
The Senate last week approved a resolution condemning the ad, 72-25. "This amendment gives our colleagues a chance to distance themselves from these despicable tactics, distance themselves from the notion that some group literally has them on a leash, like a puppet on a string," said Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.
Sen. Hillary Clinton, front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination...On CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer," she was asked about [W.] Bush's assertion that Democrats "are more afraid of irritating [groups such as Moveon.org] than they are of irritating the United States military. That was a sorry deal."
"I thought it was pretty sorry when his campaign attacked Senator Kerry's record of service, and I thought it was pretty sorry when the Republicans attacked Senator Cleland," she said. "I don't condone attacks by anyone on the patriotism and service of our military. I am an admirer of General Petraeus...and I joined in voting for a resolution that condemned such attacks." |
CNN Reports |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:02 am Post subject: |
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I, apparently unlike you, make my decisions myself. I don't ask my Congressperson if my opinion is OK.
The ad was in no way inappropriate.
1. It is not only appropriate, it is necessary to critique and to criticize those in positions of power when it is duly warranted.
2. Given the above point, that Petreaus helped sell a White House report on Iraq as a "Petreaus Report" is a betrayal of the trust and an abuse of his position to reward himself by licking the buttocks of one George W. Bush.
3. Given he also participated in the warping of data to achieve a politically partisan end is a betrayal of his oath: he swore to uphold the Constitution, not George W. Bush's nether parts.
4. You don't get it. We know. We are not surprised.
5. Given MoveOn pulled in $500,000 in the time immediately following all this (their biggest one day take this year), I'm thinking they know upon which side their bread is buttered and will not back down. |
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