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geldedgoat

Joined: 05 Mar 2009

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:04 pm Post subject:

whanous wrote:

�I hold the view that the existence of a deity is unknowable. I see no evidence; therefore I take the position that there are none."

You've just described de facto atheism, likely driven by the false assumption that probability has some relevance.

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�I hold the view that the existence of a deity is unknowable. But, I believe that this universe must have some central force/deity; therefore I take the position that there is a deity.�

And here you have confused theism/deism (possibly confused agnosticism - half full or half empty?). I say confused because that first sentence contradicts the second.

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So, agnosticism and atheism are simply describing different things.

They are, and only through logical missteps would someone arrive at the conclusion that they can somehow be intermingled (Dawkins' ramblings being a perfect example).

whanous

Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Location: Melbourne

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:17 pm Post subject:

geldedgoat wrote:

here you have confused theism/deism

True. Thanks for the correction.
I'll change it to "Deism" in the original post.

geldedgoat

Joined: 05 Mar 2009

Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:49 pm Post subject:

Er, I think I may have been unclear. I meant 'confused' to be used an adjective there: a confused theism or a confused deism (or a confused agnosticism).

Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:05 am Post subject:

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Apples and oranges dear boy.
APGW is proven beyond all reasonable doubt.
Evolution lacks convincing evidence.

And the "beyond all reasonable doubt" proof of APGW is what?
The whole smorgasboard of poep you use to attack evolution can be applied to APGW.

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APGW demands urgent action to save our planet and continued existence.
Evolution demands nothing. Except perhaps that we commit genocide and kill the useless eaters. So its probably better to not act on it. Or even give it credence in the first place.

Chalk and cheese.

No, actually, if we're to follow you into the dim paths of your logic, evolution demands urgent action to prevent genocide.

Who gives a flop about the environment if schools are teaching genocide?

Or, perhaps we can compromise. How about if we publish science books that teach both creationism and evolution, but urge students not to engage in any sudden genocidal urges they might feel.

Conversely, maybe we could point out that their desire for genocide will ultimately be thwarted if they lack a viable ecosystem in which to carry it out.

Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:12 am Post subject:

Nowhere Man wrote:

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Apples and oranges dear boy.
APGW is proven beyond all reasonable doubt.
Evolution lacks convincing evidence.

And the "beyond all reasonable doubt" proof of APGW is what?
The whole smorgasboard of poep you use to attack evolution can be applied to APGW.

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Absolutely.
We can always kill eachother (as darwin commands) by destroying our environment and ecosystem.

The fittest would survive in this case by jetting away to populate mars.

Anyway you're not supposed to have an opinion.

(lead guitar)

He's as blind as he can be,
Just sees what he wants to see,
Nowhere Man can you see me at all?

Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:53 am Post subject:

pucciniphile wrote:

So if our species hasn't evolved since Old Testament times,
no species has ever evolved?

I wish I could impress on you that inductive reasoning cannot purport to give conclusive evidence:

There are no sunspots in Tippecanoe.
There are no sunspots in Timbuktu.
There are no sunspots in Kalamazoo.
Therefore, there are no sunspots.

Your problem though is not demonstrating that there are no sunspots in Klamazoo (which you constantly do as if it were of any help to your theory), but to proove that there are sunspots anywhere. ie, that something-anything- even one thing- actually evolved.

So far your entire theory is built, perversely, on a lack of evidence. You continually showcase "stable' organisms and "living fossils" and tout their lack of change ....as evidence for evolution!
Brilliant.
Gaddafis spin doctors would have been jealous.

Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:12 am Post subject:

Brento wrote:

you are basing scientific reality on an ancient book of myths written by a tribe which pretty much had/has nothing to do with you, or your religion (other than their book being assimilated

Not at all dear chap. My view is based on what is scientifically proven and what is observed. yours is base on an imaginary fantasy that you wish to be true.

Brento wrote:

I highly doubt that Jewish writers knew or cared anything about genetic information.

But they did relate to us the creation, the flood, and the fate of organisms. Something we can base scientific predictions on.

Brento wrote:

Actually, the 99% figure relates to all documented species, not all species.

And I already told you that today we have 9 million+ documented species. If that is only 1% of what was formerly, then you are claiming that scientists have got proof of 891 million extinct species.
I don't think so.
Once again you have failed to distinguish between imaginary conjecture and fact. This is not surprising considering you have been raised on a diet of popular dino-fiction since birth.

Brento wrote:

since I was required to practically lobotomize myself, I decided to leave my church. I don't want to dumb myself down. Then I saw all the flaws in the belief system, and just decided it's time to leave, and disbelieve

There is no lobotomisation involved. If they think there was, then they weren't hungry enough. They didn't pursue truth strongly enough.The biblical account is in line with the evidence. Ultimately they're making excuses because they had other reasons.
Don't equate the creationist and ID arguments with the misinfomed statement you claim you heard once from one person at a camp.
I heard one Korean say they didn't like foreigners once. That does not mean I think all koreans are racists. Engage brain.

Brento wrote:

I don't believe in biblical morality, nor did I ever claim to

So you believe the same as your heroes haeckel, darwin, and Hitler? That weak babies should not be allowed to live?

Darwin wrote:

Evolution, or the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life'

Hitler wrote:

..the preservation of culture and culture-producing races is tied to the iron law of necessity and the right of victory of the best and strongest.
... by no means believes in the equality of the races, but recognizes along with their differences their higher or lower value, and through this knowledge feels obliged, according to the eternal will that rules this universe, to promote the victory of the better, the stronger
...While nature only allows the few most healthy and resistant out of a large number of living organisms to survive in the struggle for life, people restrict the number of births and then try to keep alive what has been born, without consideration of its real value and inner merit. Humaneness is therefore only the slave of weakness and thereby in truth the most cruel destroyer of human existence'.

So this is what you believe?
Thats some pretty wierd company you keep brento. despicable psychopaths and hated inhuman cockroaches.

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I do not believe that the atrocious war into which the Germans plunged Europe in August, 1914, and which has subsequently involved all lands and all peoples, would ever have been fought, or at least would have attained its actual gigantic proportions, had the Germans not been made mad by the theory of the survival of the fittest

William Roscoe Thayer, President of the American Historical Association,
1918
Presidential address prepared to be read before the American Historical
Association, at Cleveland, December 28, 1918

The Floating World

Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:24 am Post subject:

You've veared off into la la land there junior with your posting of twisted interpetations of evolution held by Hitler and then claiming those same subjective interpretations are shared by brento.

catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:44 am Post subject:

The Floating World wrote:

You've veared off into la la land there junior with your posting of twisted interpetations of evolution held by Hitler and then claiming those same subjective interpretations are shared by brento.

The "evolutionsts are nazis" card has been played ad naseum by the creationist crowd.

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