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desperation
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Those who know, won't say and those who say, don't know. Welcome to Dave's !
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| The_Conservative wrote: |
| desperation wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| desperation wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
that sounds like an act of desperation...  |
Indeed, I'm desperate for people with a pulse, a sharp sense of humor and a comprehension of the finer points of the English language. . |
I guess it's true what they say about opposites attracting. |
A perfect example of exactly the brand of pathetic lowbrow uneducated humor I've been forced to endure on this site for far too long. You people are tragic. |
Come off it. You enjoy it...or you wouldn't be here. If we are so "pathetic lowbrow" and "uneducated" what are you doing on this board then? Why don't you find something a little more highbrow that is more suiting to Your Majesty's refined tastes? |
You can bet your boring ass that I have. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:05 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the post. Very interesting and thorough. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:42 am Post subject: |
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Given his current predicament I'd say the dude was pretty much a tosser and I doubt many would disagree....  |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| The_Eyeball_Kid wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| The_Eyeball_Kid wrote: |
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| he should be beaten into a coma. No sympathy. I dont give a crap if you tell me he is "sick". Pedophiles know they are hurting kids. If he cant control himself. tough *beep*. I hope he gets raped in general population in a prison. Hopefully not in PC hell called Canada, just look at Karla Homolka, who is now FREE after having done the same to girls, including her own sister. Atleast this freak didnt kill his victims. In canada he will spend a few years living it up like karla and he will be released. I say throw him into prison in Cambodia or Vietnam and let the natives *beep* him up. |
YAWN. |
You seem to be defending pedophiles quite a lot..... Why? |
Oh, here it *beep* comes - anyone who doesn't say 'let's have them seen to by the hardest, crack-smoking, puppy-killing, wolf-raping criminals in the hardest maximum security prison' MUST have something to hide...
Moron. |
No, Im just ASKING why. I noticed it quite a few times. There could be many reasons. YOU are the one who is seeing something more. |
I must have read something more into the suggestive elision.
I find the whole attitude that people have to sex offenders - and don't get me wrong, I find their crimes utterly reprehensible - is largely the product of fear, misunderstanding and a desire to distance oneself from that which we find reprehensible, and in the final analysis adds nothing to our understaning, and adds nothing to eradicating the problem. I believe such crimes occur through a lack of civilisation, and we can evolve beyond them. THey are not inherently human. But we cannot move beyond them whilst the perpetrators are portrayed as 'inhuman monsters' who deserve punishments that were once freely handed down for heresy, sedition, rebellion, theft, blasphemy, and other medieval crimes no longer thus punished. Reading about such degradation and criminality as the crimes currently under discussion tantalises us in the most abject way, hence it continues to be fodder for the press, and we love to discuss and compete on our disgust and abjection whilst poring over the stories for further lurid details, feeding the fire more. Not until we give up the self-indulgent pleasure of our histrionic outrage and disgust will our understanding of the motivations and causes of such miserable criminality be furthered.
Okay? |
I've now realized how truly stupid you are. As I stated before, you have no children and are obviously incapable of sympathizing with the victim in this matter. Instead, you worry about the abuse levied at the offender and worry if they are being treated in a barbaric way.
I've now seen you in a number of threads arguing the most asinine of points... and was wondering where I recognized it.
Your keyboard warrior shtick is wearing thin. it might have earned you a B in a Uni Phil class, but in the real world, you're nothing but a sad little troll. |
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Sapa
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| i haven't followed this story for some time now. I was just wondering what actually happened to the guy? Is he still in Thailand awaiting trial or has he been sent back to Canada? Any charges? |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| The_Eyeball_Kid wrote: |
I must have read something more into the suggestive elision.
I find the whole attitude that people have to sex offenders - and don't get me wrong, I find their crimes utterly reprehensible - is largely the product of fear, misunderstanding and a desire to distance oneself from that which we find reprehensible, and in the final analysis adds nothing to our understaning, and adds nothing to eradicating the problem. I believe such crimes occur through a lack of civilisation, and we can evolve beyond them. THey are not inherently human. But we cannot move beyond them whilst the perpetrators are portrayed as 'inhuman monsters' who deserve punishments that were once freely handed down for heresy, sedition, rebellion, theft, blasphemy, and other medieval crimes no longer thus punished. Reading about such degradation and criminality as the crimes currently under discussion tantalises us in the most abject way, hence it continues to be fodder for the press, and we love to discuss and compete on our disgust and abjection whilst poring over the stories for further lurid details, feeding the fire more. Not until we give up the self-indulgent pleasure of our histrionic outrage and disgust will our understanding of the motivations and causes of such miserable criminality be furthered.
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I've now realized how truly stupid you are. As I stated before, you have no children and are obviously incapable of sympathizing with the victim in this matter. Instead, you worry about the abuse levied at the offender and worry if they are being treated in a barbaric way.
I've now seen you in a number of threads arguing the most asinine of points... and was wondering where I recognized it.
Your keyboard warrior shtick is wearing thin. it might have earned you a B in a Uni Phil class, but in the real world, you're nothing but a sad little troll. |
CC, I am sorry to see you descend to the level of name-calling instead of refuting points made, and Eyeball Kid makes some good ones, such as the one I've highlighted above.
There IS an inordinate amount of misunderstanding and misinformation about sex offenders that it bandied about by opportunistic politicians and their sensationalistic media shills. As an example, politicians quote 95% recidivism rates for sex offenders and media repeat it unchallenged when the actual rate is 5.3%. But don't take my word for it. Would you believe the US Department of Justice? Here's the report. Read it for yourself.
In a country which spends billions of dollars annually on education, it is inexcusable that politicians and reporters are allowed to remain so ignorant, thus depriving the constituency of more realistic and effective means of dealing with such a difficult problem. They do not merit their positions.
I also do not understand the logic that, if one argues against barbarism, one is therefore childless?  Barbarity is not a value I'd like to teach my children. Furthermore as a parent, if an ex-offender were living in my neighborhood, I'd be heartened by the fact that his chances of committing another such crime were so low.
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| To continue reading this article, you will need to purchase this article. |
Please give us the gist of this article. What about his childhood? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:42 am Post subject: |
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[ As an example, politicians quote 95% recidivism rates for sex offenders and media repeat it unchallenged when the actual rate is 5.3%. But don't take my word for it. Would you believe the US Department of Justice? Here's the report. Read it for yourself.
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You should put that figure in context. That 5.3% figure is for people within 3 years of their release...what about 5 or 6 years or longer? And I would argue that 5.3% is still 5.3% too high.
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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[ As an example, politicians quote 95% recidivism rates for sex offenders and media repeat it unchallenged when the actual rate is 5.3%. But don't take my word for it. Would you believe the US Department of Justice? Here's the report. Read it for yourself.
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You should put that figure in context. That 5.3% figure is for people within 3 years of their release...what about 5 or 6 years or longer? And I would argue that 5.3% is still 5.3% too high.
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Except that it is lower than that for any other crime except murder. Any amount of crime is any amount too high. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| To continue reading this article, you will need to purchase this article. |
Please give us the gist of this article. What about his childhood? |
Rats. I think the article has been archived. I don't have a subscription, but it was free when I linked. Sorry about that. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| You should put that figure in context. That 5.3% figure is for people within 3 years of their release...what about 5 or 6 years or longer? |
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=37593
Recidivism Studies Expose Fraud
Amanda Rogers
September 13, 2007
Multiple State's Sex Offender Recidivism Studies Expose Fraud Upon The American Public By Lawmakers And Mainstream Media
We've all heard the catch phrases: 'They cannot be cured'�, 'They have
the highest recidivism rates out of any other type of criminal'� and 'Its
only a matter of time before they re-offend again.'
We hear these types of claims, stated as fact again and again by
mainstream media and politicians. Indeed, even when lawmakers pass new laws pertaining to sex offenders these phrases are found again and again throughout the minutes of legislative hearings across the country.
Numerous studies which have been bought and paid for by the American
people tell a much different story however. In fact, these studies clearly demonstrate that the exact opposite is true.
Why are they all lying? The short answer: money, ratings and control.
Fear has always been a great motivator throughout history to get people
to submit to things they would not ordinarily submit to. The laws that
have been created under the guise of protecting the public undoubtedly
have a very chilling effect on the Constitution and create a springboard
for further abuses which will ultimately affect us all.
Instead of using the information contained in the studies - which may very
well hold the key to making a significant reduction in the number of sex
crimes, they create sound-bites and catch-phrases in an attempt to scare
the public for votes, ratings, and corporate profit - all at the expense
of our children. If the laws they have created were working (which they
are not) Dru Sjodin, Jessica Lunsford, and Carlie Brucia would still be
alive today.
Most if not all studies clearly define which sub-categories of offenders
pose the most risk, make up the bulk of recidivism and pose the greatest
danger to society. Yet, instead of focusing on this specific sub-group
of offenders, and tailoring legislation and attention of those most
dangerous, they lump everyone convicted of a sex crime together. As a
result, the American public is mistakenly led to believe that all are
highly dangerous ticking time bombs. IF this were true, given the fact
that there are over 600,000 registered sex offenders in this country, we
could have a 24 hour news channel devoted to nothing but repeat sex
offenders and never cover them all. The reason registered sex offenders
who do commit another sex offense make the evening news is because it is RARE!
Lawmakers and the media are not only defrauding the American public,
they are also effectively doing society and children a huge disservice -
creating an unnecessary and overblown climate of fear and anxiety, while
continuing to put America's children at risk.
Take a look at some of the findings from these studies. Links have been
provided so that the studies can be viewed in their entirety. Pay close
attention to the number of 'new sex crimes'� committed by registered sex
offenders. This is quite different from technical violations and failure
to register. We think most readers will be shocked at what these studies
and statistics reveal.
The notion that most sex offences are committed by strangers, that sex
offenders have high rates of recidivism, and that treatment does not
work is NOT supported by the extensive and growing body of research
regarding registered sex offenders. Here is a glimpse of what these
studies reveal, which proves that what is happening is the exact
opposite of what the American people are repeatedly being told.
ARIZONA REPORTS A 5.5% RECIDIVISM RATE FOR A NEW SEX CRIME. THIS WAS A FIFTEEN YEAR STUDY DONE BETWEEN 1984 AND 1998
http://www.azcorrections.gov/adc/faq/recidivism.asp
WYOMING REPORTS RECIDIVISM RATES BETWEEN 2% AND 7.5%
THEIR STUDY COVERS A FIVE YEAR PERIOD BETWEEN 2000 AND 2005
http://legisweb.state.wy.us/PubResearch/2005/05RM078r.pdf
MINNESOTA REPORTS AFTER AN EIGHT YEAR FOLLOW UP A RECIDIVISM RATE OF 10%. THEY ARE CAREFUL TO NOTE WHICH CATEGORY OF OFFENDERS POSE THE HIGHEST RISK, THOSE BEING INDIVIDUALS WHOSE VICTIM WAS A STRANGER.
http://www.doc.state.mn.us/documents/04-07SexOffenderReport-Recidivism.pdf
OHIO REPORTS A RECIDIVISM RATE OF 8% AS A RESULT OF THEIR 10 YEAR STUDY. RAPISTS WITH ADULT VICTIMS WERE THE HIGHEST RISK WHILE THOSE CONVICTED OF INCEST WERE THE LOWEST RISK WITH A 7.4% RECIDIVISM RATE.
http://www.drc.state.oh.us/web/Reports/Ten_Year_Recidivism.pdf
To put things in perspective, DUI recidivism hovers around 50%. Given
the high number of fatalities each year caused as a result of drunk
driving accidents, for example, During 2005, 16,885 people in the U.S.
died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes.
This does not include victims who become permanently disfigured and/or disabled as a result of DUI related accidents. Many of them are children.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htm
Additionally over 1,400 children die each year at the hands of their own
parents due to abuse and neglect.
Sex crimes are a terrible social ill and there are ways to prevent them.
The knowledge and information that is needed to make effective laws IS
available and we need to demand that our lawmakers acknowledge this
information and start using it effectively.
What kind of politician would ignore vital information and hard evidence
that could effectively protect our children and perpetuate these lies?
Here are a few examples:
"Because of high recidivism rates, Congress can and must do more to
ensure that offenders who could strike again are not roaming our
streets,"� Congresswoman Nita Lowey
"Studies have clearly shown that sexual predators have the highest
recidivism rates," Senator Frank Padavan (R-C, Bellerose)
"With the high-rate of recidivism of sex offenders, the state must have
the ability to provide additional rehabilitation to those who pose a
threat to our communities," Senator John J. Flanagan.
"Studies show that sex offenders are four times more likely to be
rearrested than other criminals." Congressman Vito Fossella (R-NY13)
"Sex offenders are not petty criminals. They prey on our children like
animals, and they will continue to do so unless we stop them. We need to
change the way we track these pedophiles." Former disgraced Republican Senator Mark Foley, FL - accused of soliciting male minors online and who also spearheaded the Adam Walsh Act.
"We know that the recidivism rate of convicted child molesters is
extremely high. When many leave the penitentiary, they continue their
ways against our greatest resource, children,"� Ted Poe, Representative Texas
"There are over 500,000 registered sex offenders across the country, and
statistics have shown that the recidivism rate for those criminals is
high." Representative James F. Sensenbrenner(R) Wisconsin who
spearheaded the Adam Walsh act
"Recidivism rates are alarmingly high" for sexual offenders. Rep. Earl
Pomeroy (D) of North Dakota
"Unlike other criminals, sex offenders pose a unique challenge to law
enforcement and communities due to high recidivism rates."
Representative Anthony D. Weiner NY |
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Manner of Speaking
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper thanks for the post; it was a very interesting read! |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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| You should put that figure in context. That 5.3% figure is for people within 3 years of their release...what about 5 or 6 years or longer? |
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ARIZONA REPORTS A 5.5% RECIDIVISM RATE FOR A NEW SEX CRIME. THIS WAS A FIFTEEN YEAR STUDY DONE BETWEEN 1984 AND 1998
http://www.azcorrections.gov/adc/faq/recidivism.asp
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I took a look at this one (my computer can't handle pdf's well).
I would like to quote from the article.
" Among the 1,649 sex offenders released from the Arizona prison system to the supervision of state parole officers, 70% eventually returned to prison with a NEW felony conviction for a sex crime..."
(Capitals are mine)
That's (according to my math) roughly 1154 sex offenders who reoffended, a tad over a third of the total.
The 5.5% figure is for a follow up period of only 6.85 years
...the longer they stayed out of prison, the higher the percentage of re-offenders as the percentages at the bottom of the article show. |
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