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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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You wonder why? No you do not. That is sarcasm. You know why just as well as I do: they want to disassociate themselves from her. And have you seen me say anything that would suggest that I believe B. Obama is a Communist, Milwaukiedave?
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| More whitewashing Gopher...some of the stuff that comes out of McCain and Palin's mouth is disheartening. |
No. What disheartens is that so many on the left and in the Democratic Party have so much bitter vengeance in their hearts, that even as they win, they show that they will continue their campaign indefinitely, as they only seem to know and understand "opposition," and I am afraid that that might be how they primarily embrace this opportunity to govern for the next four years: a kind of intstitutionalized oppositionism. You seem little or no better than the far right. This pattern has been going on for as long as both of us have lived. Why should we expect it to change now?
Unfortunate. Unfortunate that you not only want to make this problematic young woman all Republican America's spokesperson and exceed the law so that you might punish her as you and others here arbitrarily want to. But that you also interpret my position on letting this go and moving forward as "whitewashing."
Very well. Have your prosecutions and show-trials. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: |
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You wonder why? No you do not. That is sarcasm. You know why just as well as I do: they want to disassociate themselves from her. And have you seen me say anything that would suggest that I believe B. Obama is a Communist, Milwaukiedave?
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| More whitewashing Gopher...some of the stuff that comes out of McCain and Palin's mouth is disheartening. |
No. What disheartens is that so many on the left and in the Democratic Party have so much bitter vengeance in their hearts, that even as they win, they show that they will continue their campaign indefinitely, as they only seem to know and understand "opposition," and I am afraid that that might be how they primarily embrace this opportunity to govern for the next four years: a kind of intstitutionalized oppositionism. You seem little or no better than the far right. This pattern has been going on for as long as both of us have lived. Why should we expect it to change now?
Unfortunate. Unfortunate that you not only want to make this problematic young woman all Republican America's spokesperson and exceed the law so that you might punish her as you and others here arbitrarily want to. But that you also interpret my position on letting this go and moving forward as "whitewashing."
Very well. Have your prosecutions and show-trials. |
First of all you put together quotes, not in the way I even said them.
My question is, why would you support someone that implies the person running against them is a Communist? I know that's towing the Republican line, but it's pretty disingenuous. My question was a simple one, do you buy that argument?
Second, you completely missed my point about why they (and you) are trying to minimize the whole ordeal, she was a paid political worker. People like you are perfectly fine with covering the whole thing up and dismissing it as "liberal hysteria" since it gives Republicans a black eye (pun intended). Whether she worked alone or not is unknown. It is very obvious, once she carried through with her plan, the College Republicans and the McCain campaign stupidly bought into the story before verifying whether or not it was even true. Hiring her (yes, she was PAID) was the first stupid mistake. Believing her story was the second one. Unfortunately for you, writing it off as "liberal hysteria" will be their third. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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I do grow tired of people crying about my reducing their posts to their gist, eliminating the fluff, and then directly responding to that.
Was the gist of your position not that you accused me of "whitewashing" and that you also wanted to turn the tables and discuss "the stuff that comes out of McCain and Palin's mouth" to justify your exceeding the law to make an example of this problematic campaign worker that goes way above and beyond a misdemeanor's punishment?
Finally, calling or even suggesting (and that is exactly what you do when you hurl the "cover-up" allegation into this discussion) that this was a campaign-directed event from start to finish is more than "liberal hysteria" -- your strawman phrase here and not mine -- could possibly describe: it represents a lie.
But I think I will use your "liberal hysteria" anyway. What else do you call a group of emotional people screaming to disregard the law merely because they are angry and enamored of their own self-righteousness? |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting.
A consensus grows Goph. |
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bangbayed

Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| I do grow tired...of whitewashing...to justify this problematic campaign... |
Finally, we agree! |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Location: Jeolla province
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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How pathetic is this? They can't even get an October Surprise to work in their favor!
Don't tell me that was their Hail Mary. I was wondering if they would roll out a Willie Horton ad but clearly even that is beyond their ability at this point. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:56 am Post subject: |
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Another take on psycho, I mean Ms. Todd. Apparently she has posed as a Paul supporter as well:
OK so a lot of people, including myself and even the McCain campaign itself, were punked by Ashley Todd. Not good. And yes we've had a lot of posts on this subject, but let me add one more and trust me, there is a payoff at the end:
From the Post-Gazette:
Once she had told the story to police, "she told lie after lie and the situation compounded to where we are right now," said Lt. Kraus. He added that Ms. Todd showed no remorse for her actions but was angry with the media, saying they blew the story out of proportion.
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Ms. Todd's job as a field representative for the College Republican National Committee brought her to Pittsburgh about two weeks ago to recruit college students. She had worked for the committee since August. Yesterday, the organization fired her.
Yeah I bet they fired her. But wait, there's more!
In March, Ms. Todd was asked to leave a grass-roots group of Ron Paul supporters in Brazos County, Texas, group leader Dustan Costine said. He said Ms. Todd posed as a supporter of former Arkansas governor and presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and called the local Republican committee seeking information about its campaign strategies.
"She would call the opposing campaign and pretend she was on their campaign to get information," Mr. Costine said last night. "We had to remove her because of the tactics she displayed. After that we had nothing to do with her."
About a month earlier, he said, Ms. Todd sent an e-mail to the Ron Paul group saying her tires were slashed and that campaign paraphernalia had been stolen from her car because she supported Mr. Paul.
Stop there for a sec. she was too crazy for the Ron Paulians, I know PM regulars would appreciate that one. Also: has a pattern, but wait there's more!
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On her MySpace profile, where her screen name is "Italian Pajamas," Ms. Todd gives her occupation as "Being a badass." Next to her picture, she references the title of a song by the group Panic at the Disco: "Lying is the most fun a girl can have without taking her cloths (sic) off," but adds to it "but its (sic) better if you do."
Among the books she lists as favorites: "The Scarlet Letter."
Wow. Girl has issues. And she'll probably try volunteering again. Yeah let's clean up the reference check... but honestly if they'd checked with the Ron Paul team, I can imagine it thusly: they'd probably say, Ashley, her? yeah she's great sign her up. And then they'd hang up and laugh, and laugh, and laugh.... oy. |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| This isn't going to be the last Republican to blame their crazy antics on a black man. Wait until Obama gets elected. Even though the economy is definitely phucked and is obviously going to get even worse, good old boys throughout the GOP will be talking about how a black president has ruined the economy. It'll be Eddie Murphy's "Blame it on the Black Guy" comedy monologue come to life. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| This isn't going to be the last Republican to blame their crazy antics on a black man. Wait until Obama gets elected. Even though the economy is definitely phucked and is obviously going to get even worse, good old boys throughout the GOP will be talking about how a black president has ruined the economy. It'll be Eddie Murphy's "Blame it on the Black Guy" comedy monologue come to life. |
Yup. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Untreatable pessimists, unable to even enjoy an electoral victory. Many of you, especially you, RJjr, sound like RM Nixon, no less.
Is this what we are to expect from a B. Obama presidency? A taste of its response to the heat that presidents take in the Oval Office? Retrenched, institutionalized, African-American victimhood? Not only if we do not vote for him, it is because we are racist, or at least not ready for an African-American president, but also if we criticize him as president, especially his handling the economy, we are still racist?
No thanks. You guys are something else. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| RJjr wrote: |
| This isn't going to be the last Republican to blame their crazy antics on a black man. Wait until Obama gets elected. Even though the economy is definitely phucked and is obviously going to get even worse, good old boys throughout the GOP will be talking about how a black president has ruined the economy. It'll be Eddie Murphy's "Blame it on the Black Guy" comedy monologue come to life. |
RJR, I don't think most Republicans quite fit that image, though there are plenty of enough people who are closed-minded in the GOP camp, but plenty of them are not focused on Obama's race. I think excessively labeling people whether Liberals or Conservatives is not good. I see people on this board making sweeping generalizations about Liberals and Conservatives. I think America needs unity, getting together. It has had way too much division. Many people who voted for the GOP are voting for Obama. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Nice post, Adventurer.
The immediacy of the election is finally here. By the time I receive my next salary check, one or the other will have won the election and all of this nonsense and histrionics will end. |
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Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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They don't call it a swing vote for nothin'.
The Democrats will become the incumbent party in Washington and will do well to remember that, in the end it is not the party faithful that elected them but the swing voters, now try to keep that finicky lot in your camp. |
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bangbayed

Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Considering the fact that we've had eight years of Bush, and looking at how the McCain campaign has conducted itself, it's a wonder the race is as close as it is. Many on this board have noticed this as well. Some states, especially the southern ones, are still very much in the red, despite the fact that some have voted Dem in the past.
How can you not conclude race is a factor?
How can you not conclude race will be a factor in the next four years? |
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