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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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This race is getting ugly. At UofL today, Chris Matthews grilled Conway on his attack ads which paint Rand Paul as someone who mocks religion. You can see some of the animus in the debate this Sunday, where it gets started immediately. Paul is milking the shame card and trying to take the high road. He takes to being prickly naturally. But so, too, does Conway to being a sleezebag.
Conway likes to demagogue the budget, incessantly raising fears that Paul will cut payments to seniors. Uh, exactly, we can't afford it. Paul is the only Republican who has mentioned what he will cut (Dept of Education and Dept of Agriculture), and he is getting major shit for it. He should be acknowledged for his forthrightness and honesty, which is more than I can say for Conway's doublespeak and accusations. Meanwhile, Conway backs extending all the Bush tax cuts and is selling his hometown tax credit.
Paul is calling for a reasonable discussion about drugs. And Conway is playing the 'you don't know Kentucky, our oxycotin/meth problem is serious here,' even as Paul is suggesting moving away from law enforcement approach.
Conway is a perfect example of the kind of wretched, middle-of-the-road, Midwestern Democrat who stands for nothing but his own ambition. He's not one of the good Democrats who are languishing in the polls in other states.
Edit: I think this is the distinct difference between Paul and Conway. Watch from the 8:05 mark, and the summary at 9:15 where Rand Paul briefly becomes the most sane man in national politics. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| That debate is tough to watch. Conway is a snake. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| That debate is tough to watch. Conway is a snake. |
Agreed. It's almost like Conway is doing his best to present himself as a caricature of a two-faced, smooth-talking politician. Also, that smirk of his is a thousand times worse than Bush's. Makes me wanna punch him in the face. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Rand Paul is such an easy political target. Jack Conway is a total idiot; bringing up inane crap like "aqua buddha" or things from Paul's college days is unnecessary and reflects poorly on him. Paul has enough vulnerable points based purely on his current positions, and bringing up this kind of nonsense just allows Paul to feign offense and turn Conway's own pettiness back on him. "Rand Paul wants to end faith based initiatives and deductions for donations to religious charities," would have been a perfectly fine -- and, according to politifact, fairly accurate -- attack ad (insofar as that's an attack; I consider wanting to end those things positive) without bringing up the rest of this stupid crap.
I also don't think it's wrong to mock people of faith. Mockery is an important part of our culture. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Rand Paul is such an easy political target. Jack Conway is a total idiot; bringing up inane crap like "aqua buddha" or things from Paul's college days is unnecessary and reflects poorly on him. Paul has enough vulnerable points based purely on his current positions, and bringing up this kind of nonsense just allows Paul to feign offense and turn Conway's own pettiness back on him. |
A competent politician would focus on the inequality inherent in Ron Paul's taxation policies. He would subtly pitch to the seniors and push to the Democrat base in Louisville.
But Conway is a d-bag that wants to extend the current Bush tax cuts, all of them. His budget plan is to cut waste. His website is very spare on the issues (http://www.jackconway.org/). He's zealous about Kentucky's drug problem, which means, as Attorney General, he wants to PROSECUTE. He loves to bring up stuff from Rand Paul's college days over thirty years ago.
I'm proud to say I voted AGAINST this guy for Attorney General in 2008. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:11 am Post subject: |
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Is the drug problem there the legal kind now? Oxy and the rest? I've read that the legal opiates are the new big thing.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/100279/vanguard-the-oxycontin-express
Rand Paul is up by 4%. Very close. Warrior says he's a libertarian pretending to be a neo-con. I hope that is true. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Rand Paul is such an easy political target. Jack Conway is a total idiot; bringing up inane crap like "aqua buddha" or things from Paul's college days is unnecessary and reflects poorly on him. Paul has enough vulnerable points based purely on his current positions, and bringing up this kind of nonsense just allows Paul to feign offense and turn Conway's own pettiness back on him. |
A competent politician would focus on the inequality inherent in Ron Paul's taxation policies. He would subtly pitch to the seniors and push to the Democrat base in Louisville.
But Conway is a d-bag that wants to extend the current Bush tax cuts, all of them. His budget plan is to cut waste. His website is very spare on the issues (http://www.jackconway.org/). He's zealous about Kentucky's drug problem, which means, as Attorney General, he wants to PROSECUTE. He loves to bring up stuff from Rand Paul's college days over thirty years ago.
I'm proud to say I voted AGAINST this guy for Attorney General in 2008. |
Thanks for the insights. Sounds like I'd vote for Paul if I were in KY since Conway sounds like he'd be pretty lousy and useless. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: |
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For the sake of fairness, here's another perspective. Now, Josh Green is a national reporter, and he's focusing on atmospherics, not issues. Normally I wouldn't post this kind of thing. But Josh did actually drive down to the real Kentucky (I live in Louisville) and do some reporting, so its worth a read.
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"Aqua Buddha" presents a problem for Paul--not because anyone believed that Paul wasn't Christian or thought it disqualifyingly aberrant behavior, but because he refused to explain it. "It was college, it was just an initiation," Jerry McIntosh, a local GOP official, told me. "He ought to address it." I heard that same sentiment a dozen times. Everyone reasonably thought the episode was probably a harmless college prank. But they also thought it odd that Paul wouldn't just say so.
The thing that really seemed to bother them, though--and this was also true of every talk-radio caller--was Paul's refusal to debate Conway Monday night. No one could understand why he wouldn't want to take the stage. As one of them put it, borrowing a line from Sharron Angle, Paul needed to "man up" and face down the aggressor. I came away with the sense that if he doesn't, he'll pay a steep price and maybe even cost himself the race. The issue isn't Paul's Christianity, but his manhood. That's why I think he'll change his mind. |
Paul has to meet Conway. Its an election, and his righteous indignation threatens to turn into cowardly opportunism if Paul fails to turn up. This is a close election, for sure. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Pretty much entirely unrelated, but Kentuckians have a pretty nice accent. Also, the state should change its name back to Transylvania. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Transylvania? I did not know that.
http://dailycaller.com/2010/10/26/poll-jack-conway-aqua-buddha-ad-backfired-in-race-for-kentucky-senate/
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Democratic Senate candidate Jack Conway took a risk by focusing on his opponent�s colorful college history and according to a new survey from a Democratic
polling firm, Kentucky voters aren�t buying it.
Conway released a television ad on Oct. 15 that accused Republican Rand Paul of �mocking Christianity� in college, which his campaign hoped would resonate with people of faith in Kentucky. Support for Conway has plunged over the past few weeks, and he now trails Paul by 13 points, according to a Public Policy Polling survey released Tuesday.
While Paul�s approval ratings have remained constant, Conway�s have been dropping ever since the ad went live. A majority of Kentucky voters (52 percent) now have an unfavorable view of the state attorney general, PPP reported.
�There�s little doubt the ad has backfired,� PPP Director Tom Jensen in a statement discussing the poll.
Among independent voters, Paul led Conway by only seven points in September, but he now enjoys a 39 point advantage.
The data is consistent with a Fox News poll, also released Tuesday, that shows Paul leading Conway 50 percent to 43 percent. |
Looks like we will get to see if this guy is like his father. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| Pretty much entirely unrelated, but Kentuckians have a pretty nice accent. Also, the state should change its name back to Transylvania. |
I like that: Transylvania, USA. I also like the sound of Pennsylvania (named after the Penn family that used to pretty much own it).
My state sounds like speech impediment territory: MAthaCHOOthitz |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| And looks like he's projected to win with 10% of the vote counted. I hope he takes up the Transylvania issue post haste. |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: In my Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| My state sounds like speech impediment territory: MAthaCHOOthitz |
you gonna CHEW the what? the shitz? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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