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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Please correct me if it's wrong about New Zealand as well |
I think I just did.
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No. I just corrected you. As you asked. 
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| Did you read my previous posts? Or are you just being an ass clown? |
Is there any need for this? I just pointed out your error concerning Nobel prize winners. I also pointed out that the Japanese also have Nobel prize winners who were educated in other countries. Just because Wilkins was educated outside New Zealand doesn't make him less New Zealand. It's not personal. |
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matko
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: in a world of hurt!
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First of all, I didn't make a statement that was innacurate, the website did.
second, you said it was playground stuff to try to show which country had greater achievments. Fair enough. Tell that to Itaewonguy.
The fact is, He said he could back up the fact that NZ contributed more to the world. WRONG!
I'm just calling him on it. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| First of all, I didn't make a statement that was innacurate, the website did. |
http://web.hhs.se/personal/suzuki/o-English/ed06.html
This has a breakdown by country on the numbers. Basically most websites credit NZ with zero because of the three people who have won awards, their only real involvement with NZ was that they were born there and that their research/contribution that lead to the prize was almost exclusively down in another country. and I believe after they had all immigrated.
Look at Russel Crow for example. He was born in New Zealand, but he did his schooling in Australia, and 100% of his acting in Australia which lead to his becoming a film star in Australia. NZ contribted nothing to his acting career, yet many people from NZ (including people this forum) swear up and down he is a proud example of NZ.
If the city I was born in and moved away from at the age of six started issuing press releases about how I was a fine example of someone who became famous who lived there, I would write them back and ask what the hell they are doing. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:39 am Post subject: yes |
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Kinda the same if any korean person ever says they are proud of BoA.
Not that I have heard that before, but stranger things have happened. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Itaeon guy,
I just did a quick search on Wilkins, not the other two.
He was born in NZ but moved to Britain at age 6 where he was EDUCATED!
How does that help your education arguement? |
It doesn't help you though does it? You made a statement that was inaccurate. If you want to read about the other two, check my links. I would be willing to bet that of those 12 Japanese Nobel prize winners, at least 30% were educated in the US. |
Which statement that I made was innacurate?
I'm sure that some of the Japanese had some education in the States or elsewhere and so did the other 2 Kiwi guys.
My point was that Itaewon guy seemed to think that the Kiwis had more impact on the world than the Japanese because the education system is so much superior.
Fact is, it isn't and they didn't.
I'm not saying Eastern education is better than western, I'm just saying that Japan has produced far more that has benefited the world than New Zealand. |
MAN ARENT YOU IN A MOOD TONIGHT !!!
I never said NEw Zealand is far more impact on the world than japan
when did I say that? dont mis quote me MAT!!
I never said the education system is far more superior, you have entered this debate late and you are making shite up..
go back and read all the posts then re post dude...
and I am sure certain other nobel winners representing other countries were educated in New Zealand..
WHO CARES!!! I am just saying New Zealand has produced some good people.. I never said japan didnt!!
MAT calm dude.. you seem really uptight tonight,., you ok dude? |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| First of all, I didn't make a statement that was innacurate, the website did. |
http://web.hhs.se/personal/suzuki/o-English/ed06.html
This has a breakdown by country on the numbers. Basically most websites credit NZ with zero because of the three people who have won awards, their only real involvement with NZ was that they were born there and that their research/contribution that lead to the prize was almost exclusively down in another country. and I believe after they had all immigrated.
Look at Russel Crow for example. He was born in New Zealand, but he did his schooling in Australia, and 100% of his acting in Australia which lead to his becoming a film star in Australia. NZ contribted nothing to his acting career, yet many people from NZ (including people this forum) swear up and down he is a proud example of NZ.
If the city I was born in and moved away from at the age of six started issuing press releases about how I was a fine example of someone who became famous who lived there, I would write them back and ask what the hell they are doing. |
acually GORD! you want to talk about russell crowe.. ok..
Russell went to AUCKLAND GRAMMAR SCHOOL!!
russells parents were caterers on TV shows in NEW ZEALAND. thats where russell first got the bug.,
Russell became famous out of the Australia.. so what!!!
russell left school at 16 anyway!!
here you go again changing conversations..
now we are on russell crowe! mate I dont really give toss..
Sam neil was born in New Zealand and educated there!
does that make him a kiwi? ohh hang on,., he crossed the tasman and made it big in OZ, so I guess that makes him Australian..
emmm.. ok.. so every singer, actor, person who was born in another country but moves to a new country and makes success then that means he is from that country! emmmm ok...
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This has a breakdown by country on the numbers. Basically most websites credit NZ with zero because of the three people who have won awards, their only real involvement with NZ was that they were born there and that their research/contribution that lead to the prize was almost exclusively down in another country. and I believe after they had all immigrated.
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and I am sure many others from other countries have similar situations!
GORD.. you are the one that started this korean thing.. I think its time you brought up some korean things!!
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toomuchtime
Joined: 11 May 2003
Location: the only country with four distinct seasons
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Gentlemen, gentlemen.
Sorry to interrupt. (I'm almost afraid to).
Buuutttt. If anyone's still interested in the original question...
I've heard a lot of people say stuff about knowing one or two Korean guys and that they work harder than Americans- well one or two guys, does not a fact make.
What I am wondering about is hard data, e.g. working hours per week- not just productivity- and per year.
BTW Gord, the 'productivity' dollar amt, doesn't refer to the value of what they're making, it refers to how well they use their time while working. We've all heard expats say that they could do what takes Korean six hours, in three... That sort of thing. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| And you seem to be saying that New Zealand is the only country in the world which does this? what korea doesnt??? MOVE ON!! this was just you changing the subjects again and moving on differrent tangents. dodger! |
That's odd, you claim to work in the Korean education system. Then you should already know that students who fall behind in academic courses are pulled and put into trade courses, and continually moved down the line until they get something can handle. Which is why students go to so many acadamies at early ages so that they aren't tagged as falling behind and yanked from the academic schools and tossed into a commercial or technical school.
Your suggestion I was dodging is false.
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| OHH so one guy in parliment around election times stands up and says some crap to win votes!! emmm here's a first!! |
No, it was from a government study into why NZ students were failing in record numbers and why students coming in from abroad were outpacing NZ students in test scores despite having to write them in a second language. It was giant review of the educational system from the bottom up that cost a few million dollars, not a election soundbite.
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NO gord I havent seen the results!!
Im sorry was there an international test going around which I missed?
can you please narrow it down to which subjects you are talking about?
or are you saying every subject? and is this only New Zealand? or canada , australia, England etc...? USA?? thank you.. |
There are standardized tests done by many institutions every year.
Some non-government sanctioned like http://imo.math.ca/results/TCBY.html and others government sanctioned programs like "Programme for International Student Assessment" which highlight how NZ is murdered by Korea and Japan, but does comparable to other western countries. http://www1.oecd.org/publications/e-book/9602071E.PDF for the entire 263 page study.
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UMMM GORD! I think you may want to take that statement back.. if you do its not to late!! I wont hold it against you.. we all make mistakes!
If you wish to keep that statement let me know. I will happily contradict that statement to a science! you cant be serious on that one!? |
What's to retract? That a society that has a higher level of education coupled with a proven track record of technical innovation probably has smarter people than an uneducated society with little technical creativity? Hello?
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I am not saying new zealanders are better than japanese in electronic inventions or certain engineering. japan has the resources to produce better results in THOSE FIELDS! computer chips, engines, blar blar..
look at the productivity ratio! BUT! that doesnt mean NEW Zealand with our small population numbers , havent and dont produce greatness too! |
No one said otherwise. All that we simply said was that the average student who walks out of their education at grade 12 in Korea or Japan is better educated than someone who walks out of their education at grade 12 in New Zealand. Study after study have shown this to be true, including that lovely 263 page link I gave you already.
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the end being, showing you that NEW ZEALAND for its small population and its education system can produce individuals who can invent, create, build, manage and sustain a role of excellance! you seem NEW Zealanders on a whole cant! you seem to think korean, japanese are better than us on a greater level!! I will argue this point till the cows come home!!
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I never said otherwise. I simply noted that the NZ government noted that students in other countries were coming out of the education pipe with better results at a lower cost and that NZ had a shockingly high rate of school failures. It was never a claim that all NZ students are doomed to be nothing more than chambermaids.
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emmm HUMILITATED by you? NO!! I know when I have been beat and I take it like a man! but Im sorry gord. yes some points you are right. and I havent given them further challenge. BUT! on these topics IM SORRY I CANT AGREE WITH YOU!
and I know you will never agree with me!!! you will do what you do best. and try to take me onto another issue ...which is fine..
you are not contridicting with facts! you still havent posted the link where you came across these so called quotes!! until you PRODUCE!! something we are still heresy!! |
Very well, I've given you the government mandated source files coupled with other summary pieces in other postings. You can plainly see the data broken down by genre, level, and country.
There is nothing left to disagree about. The facts are before you.
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I read the ranking and it was on the top 5! so Im sorry.. I will have to find that ranking and post it for you..! and if you are not saying that the new zealand education system is useless then what are you saying????
you just saying that its not on the top? ok fine! its the not top of the world!
I never said it was!! I said it was in the top 5!! not the best!!
and for its population is does pretty ok!!!
perhaps you are just feeling upset that canada is nowhere to be seen?? |
I agree that people in NZ take a lot of schooling, but you were misrepressenting that to be that everyone had a degree. You cited the 17 year average. If the AVERAGE person has 17 years of education, that means the average person has a degree. And for every person who doesn't have a degree, another person has a PhD to make up for that average.
When in fact things like flight school, guitar lessons, and accounting classes in trade schools count towards the years of education. As well as the aforementioned rate of school years redone in NZ that is at or near the top of the list.
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what does this mean?
indirectly saying we are similar to a thirdworld nation!!! |
No, it was what it meant it said. The NZ dollar is of low value thanks do NZ defaulting on it's credit lines 20 years ago and coupled with it's low industrial base and poor export market. A person in Korea can fly to NZ and live there for a year for less than half of what it costs in Canada and a third of the U.S.
Though earlier you had said NZ was quite safe, when NZ actually ranks in third for countries in the world for crimes per capita with assaults, child maltreatment deaths, burglaries, frauds, and drug offences. If branched to include the top ten, add in rapes and automobile theft.
http://web.hhs.se/personal/suzuki/o-English/NewZealand.html
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If you said playstation then I would have said yes!!
his name is not important, what he created maybe!! well it was a calaboration I am sure,, he is just taking credit for it..
a VIDEO GAME!! so we should educate our children in the fathers of video game makers.. and so what.. he didnt even invent the video game!!
playstation has not effected my life! microsoft has!! |
He has done more than sold the PlayStation, which in and of itself has become an industry larger than ever thought possible by many. Oscillating lasers, processor development, and magnetic optical media just to name a few of the things brought in under his watch. Microsoft may be big, but Sony is multiple times larger than Microsoft. I don't believe you're understand that size of Sony's R&D budget which is in the billions.
The PlayStation brand is one of Sony's most visible brand names, but accounts for just a fraction of Sony's sales per year. Ironcally, Sony's patents mean that a royalty payment must be made for them on every Xbox and GameCube game sold due to the technology they've included in those consoles.
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since 1997! you?
also I have worked in over 10 middle schools and 5 elementary schools!
also my wife and her family went through the korean school system..
did you? and they told me many things!!!
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About a year at an academic high school that is highly regarded for pushing students into top tier universities.
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| your multiple sources are from your own head!!! you havent listed in hard evidence!!! stop blowing smoke out your arse! |
Let me know when you're finished reading the hundreds of pages provided, and I'll get on sending you more if you want.
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| you trying to be funny now? is this your way of winning a debate! I know you are just like beckerson .. when you feel the fire.. you start to attack personally.. ok,.. what ever GORD!! keep it up ... |
Horrible lies. You took my pointing out that your own government disagrees with you on the state of education in New Zealand, backed it up with information as to why they feel that way and corroborated it with independant sources showing the education system in NZ does not produce students on average better than Korean students, and you felt as though it was some personal attack against you.
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| really!! what is being said!! you have managed to take us all on a merry go round.. bashing was in their indirectly.. and you know it!! |
You've read far more into it than was ever intended. If I wanted to bash NZ, I would have been far more creative and far more selective in using damning evidence. All I did was simply mention that your own government disagreed with you about the quality of the NZ educational system. |
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tsgarp
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| Gord by a TKO. Itaewon Guy, why are you incapable of accepting criticism of your country? Gord isn't being insulting, he's simply making valid, empirical arguments but you're acting like he said something about yo' momma. |
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matko
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: in a world of hurt!
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Itaeon guy,
I just did a quick search on Wilkins, not the other two.
He was born in NZ but moved to Britain at age 6 where he was EDUCATED!
How does that help your education arguement? |
It doesn't help you though does it? You made a statement that was inaccurate. If you want to read about the other two, check my links. I would be willing to bet that of those 12 Japanese Nobel prize winners, at least 30% were educated in the US. |
Which statement that I made was innacurate?
I'm sure that some of the Japanese had some education in the States or elsewhere and so did the other 2 Kiwi guys.
My point was that Itaewon guy seemed to think that the Kiwis had more impact on the world than the Japanese because the education system is so much superior.
Fact is, it isn't and they didn't.
I'm not saying Eastern education is better than western, I'm just saying that Japan has produced far more that has benefited the world than New Zealand. |
MAN ARENT YOU IN A MOOD TONIGHT !!!
I never said NEw Zealand is far more impact on the world than japan
when did I say that? dont mis quote me MAT!!
I never said the education system is far more superior, you have entered this debate late and you are making *beep* up..
go back and read all the posts then re post dude...
and I am sure certain other nobel winners representing other countries were educated in New Zealand..
WHO CARES!!! I am just saying New Zealand has produced some good people.. I never said japan didnt!!
MAT calm dude.. you seem really uptight tonight,., you ok dude? |
I'm uptight?!?!?!?
You're kidding right? 
The only thing I called you on dude was when you wrote
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| why don't you list what japanese, Korean people have contributed in terms of greatness. and I will list only NEw Zealanders!! |
Is that a misquote? No.
I gave you a list. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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GORD!
you really seem to have issues with NEW Zealand... I feel sorry for you I really do!! Its to bad you will never see the truth..
you believe in what you read in the paper or see on television.. thats fine. the world needs simple men like you.. thank you gord for your enlightly look into NEw Zealand education and New Zealand as a country. coming from a man who has never even been there! that is really amazing..
are you in the amazing business?
perhaps you should write a book gord!
maybe an Ex girl friend of yours was a kiwi and you hate kiwis for that! I dont know.. but you seem to write like you are certain.. just because you read it...
you see.. in theory you came across real good gord!! but the practical will always out do you...
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"Programme for International Student Assessment" which highlight how NZ is murdered by Korea and Japan, but does comparable to other western countries |
thats funny.. when considering I posted a stat ranking 3rd in the world for math! right behind japan, korea!!
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What's to retract? That a society that has a higher level of education coupled with a proven track record of technical innovation probably has smarter people than an uneducated society with little technical creativity? Hello?
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AN UNEDUCATED SOCIETY??? I see no no we are not NEw Zealand bashing are we!!!?
so korea is better than NEW ZEALAND GORD????
well well well.. can you explain to why NEW ZEALAND is considered to be one the highest countries in the world for standard of living and KOREA!!!
RANKS DOWN THERE WITH MEXICO!!!
for a country so well educated how can this be ???
shouldnt it be the other way around??? HELLO???
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No one said otherwise. All that we simply said was that the average student who walks out of their education at grade 12 in Korea or Japan is better educated than someone who walks out of their education at grade 12 in New Zealand. Study after study have shown this to be true, including that lovely 263 page link I gave you already.
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HOW SO??
in what way are they smarter?
what in math?
in science?
in history?
geography?
economics?
arts?
I would really love to know... thank you..
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The PlayStation brand is one of Sony's most visible brand names, but accounts for just a fraction of Sony's sales per year. Ironcally, Sony's patents mean that a royalty payment must be made for them on every Xbox and GameCube game sold due to the technology they've included in those consoles |
yes I know that!! but what has this got to do with education, computer games are the end of education.. its the horror of all mothers!
I know how large sony is.. so what.. there are many other companies doing research and greater things just like it..
GORD. get to your real point!! what is it? are you saying that JAPAN and KOREA are the greatest nations on the earth at the moment???
ohh no you would never say that directly.. you would respond with something like.. no, what I am saying is,, that those nations have contributed far more to this world than other nations at this present time..
or something like that..
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You've read far more into it than was ever intended. If I wanted to bash NZ, I would have been far more creative and far more selective in using damning evidence. All I did was simply mention that your own government disagreed with you about the quality of the NZ educational system. |
seems to me.. you are looking for an arguement from patriotic kiwis!!
if thats your motivation then you really have issues gord!!
maybe you should not even mention NEw Zealand unless you acually have been there or do know first hand about it !
OR YOU CAN BACK UP YOUR WORDS WITH REAL QUOTES!!
you still havent listed the government offical who said it!!
when, why, etc... if you can do this,..this I will forgive you for talking badly about NEw Zealand.. if you cant.. then so be it!
I will consider you a bigot!!!!
you and your stat sheet can go blow in the wind for all I care..
all I know Is.. we do 17 years of school!! koreans dont!!!
I dont care how you want to break it down. or how you want to add it up
what ever~ we do more than koreans.. and we learn more topics than they do!!! I have a stronger opinion on this than you because...
I went to school in New Zealand for 7 years, lived there over 12 years.
schooled in australia for 6 years. and Italy. where I am originally from!
I have lived here and worked for 7 years in education!
you list theories... I list practical facts!!
I dont get involved in canadian topics, or american topics.. because its none of my business.. and I dont know anything about it..
regarding korea or japan or other nations.. we all can express what we like. because we are foreigners!!!
I stated a fact that new zealand kids do more hours in a classroom than koreans then you came on board and started this whole parade! then you later agree with me, but through in some jargon to make it sound better for you.. like guitar lessons, repeated years blar blar.. doesnt matter either way I was right.. but you couldnt let go...
entertaining though..
but this arguement is over!!
I will carry on with the inventions and asian companies arguements if you answer my question..
do you think korea and japan are the greatest nations alive today??? |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Itaeon guy,
I just did a quick search on Wilkins, not the other two.
He was born in NZ but moved to Britain at age 6 where he was EDUCATED!
How does that help your education arguement? |
It doesn't help you though does it? You made a statement that was inaccurate. If you want to read about the other two, check my links. I would be willing to bet that of those 12 Japanese Nobel prize winners, at least 30% were educated in the US. |
Which statement that I made was innacurate?
I'm sure that some of the Japanese had some education in the States or elsewhere and so did the other 2 Kiwi guys.
My point was that Itaewon guy seemed to think that the Kiwis had more impact on the world than the Japanese because the education system is so much superior.
Fact is, it isn't and they didn't.
I'm not saying Eastern education is better than western, I'm just saying that Japan has produced far more that has benefited the world than New Zealand. |
MAN ARENT YOU IN A MOOD TONIGHT !!!
I never said NEw Zealand is far more impact on the world than japan
when did I say that? dont mis quote me MAT!!
I never said the education system is far more superior, you have entered this debate late and you are making *beep* up..
go back and read all the posts then re post dude...
and I am sure certain other nobel winners representing other countries were educated in New Zealand..
WHO CARES!!! I am just saying New Zealand has produced some good people.. I never said japan didnt!!
MAT calm dude.. you seem really uptight tonight,., you ok dude? |
I'm uptight?!?!?!?
You're kidding right?
The only thing I called you on dude was when you wrote
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| why don't you list what japanese, Korean people have contributed in terms of greatness. and I will list only NEw Zealanders!! |
Is that a misquote? No.
I gave you a list. |
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where are they?
I will list mine when you list yours...
lets make interesting...
10 catagories...
what ever you want...
and I will list 10.. what ever I want..
you in???
I guess you are representing japan huh  |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Gord by a TKO. Itaewon Guy, why are you incapable of accepting criticism of your country? Gord isn't being insulting, he's simply making valid, empirical arguments but you're acting like he said something about yo' momma. |
new zealand is my momma!!!
and from a guy who has never even stepped foot on our shores!
he really doesnt have any rights talking like he is!!!
he is getting cocky now! and starting to insult NZ. he is so ashamed to say he is a canadian because I would have a field day on him!!
I already admitted he was right on more than a few points..
but I sense some arrogance and conceitment there,, which makes me think he is trying to mock my nations to get a rise out of me!!
whatever!! ill cool!! im just sticking up for my country!!
I have quieted down now.. we have passed the peak! |
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matko
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: in a world of hurt!
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I'm not a Japan expert but Nobel Laureates has been won by Japan. Agreed?
What are the categories?
Economics? The Arts? Sports? Science and Technology? I don't know! This is your fight, not mine. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| perhaps you should write a book gord! |
What a great idea. I think I will do that. If I do that, I bed I'll sell thousands. In fact, I think I'll write a book about me and call it "The Book of Gord." The Book of Gord: Volume 1. I think I'll get started on it. Would you like to buy a copy?
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| maybe an Ex girl friend of yours was a kiwi and you hate kiwis for that! I dont know.. but you seem to write like you are certain.. just because you read it... |
Horrible lies. I rather like the place.
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| thats funny.. when considering I posted a stat ranking 3rd in the world for math! right behind japan, korea!! |
Your source did not explain how it reached it's results, unlike mine which broke it down by age, level, and explanations. Plus my link was endorsed by your goverment.
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| AN UNEDUCATED SOCIETY??? I see no no we are not NEw Zealand bashing are we!!!? |
We were talking about third world countries in Asia, which you seem to have forgotten.
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so korea is better than NEW ZEALAND GORD????
well well well.. can you explain to why NEW ZEALAND is considered to be one the highest countries in the world for standard of living and KOREA!!!
RANKS DOWN THERE WITH MEXICO!!!
for a country so well educated how can this be ???
shouldnt it be the other way around??? HELLO??? |
We were talking about education, not standard of living.
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HOW SO??
in what way are they smarter?
what in math?
in science?
in history?
geography?
economics?
arts?
I would really love to know... thank you.. |
Start reading, it's all there.
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GORD. get to your real point!! what is it? are you saying that JAPAN and KOREA are the greatest nations on the earth at the moment???
ohh no you would never say that directly.. you would respond with something like.. no, what I am saying is,, that those nations have contributed far more to this world than other nations at this present time..
or something like that.. |
You were insulting your students in Korea for not knowing people in influence with western names, so I simply noted how your knowledge of Asians of great influence is just as limited.
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seems to me.. you are looking for an arguement from patriotic kiwis!!
if thats your motivation then you really have issues gord!! |
How many times would you like me to say I'm not trying to insult your country and have only posted facts directly relating to your claims?
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maybe you should not even mention NEw Zealand unless you acually have been there or do know first hand about it !
OR YOU CAN BACK UP YOUR WORDS WITH REAL QUOTES!!
you still havent listed the government offical who said it!!
when, why, etc... if you can do this,..this I will forgive you for talking badly about NEw Zealand.. if you cant.. then so be it!
I will consider you a bigot!!!! |
The report was commissioned by Education Minister Nick Smith and was chaired by former Labour MP Margaret Austin. The words I quoted in my first posting were directly from Margaret.
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| you and your stat sheet can go blow in the wind for all I care.. |
Curse me and my proof.
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all I know Is.. we do 17 years of school!! koreans dont!!!
I dont care how you want to break it down. or how you want to add it up
what ever~ we do more than koreans.. and we learn more topics than they do!!! I have a stronger opinion on this than you because...
I went to school in New Zealand for 7 years, lived there over 12 years.
schooled in australia for 6 years. and Italy. where I am originally from!
I have lived here and worked for 7 years in education!
you list theories... I list practical facts!! |
I fail to see the value in clinging something that you have misrepresented.
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I dont get involved in canadian topics, or american topics.. because its none of my business.. and I dont know anything about it..
regarding korea or japan or other nations.. we all can express what we like. because we are foreigners!!! |
I was simply noting that people who know far more about education than you do and who were paid to evaluate the NZ education system disagree with your assestment of the value of that system as an overall.
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I stated a fact that new zealand kids do more hours in a classroom than koreans then you came on board and started this whole parade! then you later agree with me, but through in some jargon to make it sound better for you.. like guitar lessons, repeated years blar blar.. doesnt matter either way I was right.. but you couldnt let go...
entertaining though.. |
Actually, I was referring to years, not hours. Korean students at the end of their educational lives will have spent more than twice as many hours in an educational setting that a NZ student.
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| but this arguement is over!! |
It was only meant to highlight a mistake .
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| do you think korea and japan are the greatest nations alive today??? |
I don't believe so, but I do respect the final products of the education system. |
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