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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| However, if they just started taking STD test regularly, this problem wouldn't exist (COMMON SENSE PEOPLE). |
STD tests don't cure a problem, they only tell you if you have it. And there are plenty of people back home who engage in risky behavior too. The West is certainly not a role model...I don't know where you are getting this racist garbage from.
Not to mention that a fair amount of these so-called "East Asians" can't afford a STD test or to see a doctor. |
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soomin
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sorry, maybe I'm just completely out of touch, but... if you're renewing a contract, I thought that you didn't need a new health check unless you had been out of the country for 3 months... |
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SMOE NSET
Joined: 25 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul
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You need to do the health check ONCE every year. I've never heard of people having to do the test more than once unless they lost the original.
I don't see the big deal. Sure, it is "a lot" of money (not really) but isn't it worth knowing about your health? 65,000W (just paid this for mine) is less than a night out and I can sleep sound knowing my health is fine.
And, enough with this racist "Asians are dirty non-sense." Haven't read about how Genghis Khan avoided invading Europe because he thought they were barbaric, disgusting, and diseased? |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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I worked in Singapore and was required to have an HIV test for each visa, including renewals. As were all my expat friends/coworkers. Nobody moaned about it. None. Then, I applied for and received an American visa. Also had to take an HIV test. Both also required TB exams/x-rays. The Americans needed a criminal reference check. My better half has Canadian PR and they needed criminal checks too. That's life.
Will you people stop whining about this? If the Koreans want an HIV test give them one. If they want 10, give them 10. You are a guest. It's their house. You're embarrassing all Occidentals with this childish nonsense about "stigma" and "discrimination". It is their house. Not yours. Theirs. If they want you to submit a rectal exam, you do it. If you don't want to, don't live there. |
So did they ask you to do medical exams before or after you go the visa? Korea is one of the very few countries in the world that gives out a visa and someone enter the country and THEN screens them for medical problems. Most of the world considers that unethical. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:05 am Post subject: |
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I worked in Singapore and was required to have an HIV test for each visa, including renewals. As were all my expat friends/coworkers. Nobody moaned about it. None. Then, I applied for and received an American visa. Also had to take an HIV test. Both also required TB exams/x-rays. The Americans needed a criminal reference check. My better half has Canadian PR and they needed criminal checks too. That's life.
Will you people stop whining about this? If the Koreans want an HIV test give them one. If they want 10, give them 10. You are a guest. It's their house. You're embarrassing all Occidentals with this childish nonsense about "stigma" and "discrimination". It is their house. Not yours. Theirs. If they want you to submit a rectal exam, you do it. If you don't want to, don't live there. |
So did they ask you to do medical exams before or after you go the visa? Korea is one of the very few countries in the world that gives out a visa and someone enter the country and THEN screens them for medical problems. Most of the world considers that unethical. |
Love these statements.
Most of the world eh?
Lets get real here, Korea should ask for the medical test prior to issuing the visa but that would require more people to run a verification system abroad. Testing in Korea is easier.
Unethical? Now that is very debatable. I mean basically the health test can cancel the issued visa if it revealrs certain issues. So irritating for the person who flew over is more accurate than calling this unethical.
Of course, unethical sounds far more spectacular and dramatic. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| It's not Korean law that resigning SMOE employees need to have an additional HIV test, but it is SMOE's policy, because, it would seem, they want to stigmatise us all as AIDS carrying deviants. Should we stand for it? It's NOT Korean law, and I'm pretty sure that SMOE's requirement VIOLATES Korean law. Its racial discrimination plain and simple ... all the FOREIGN teachers need to be tested for aids, all the good clean Korean teachers are fine. And, yes, Korea has anti-discrimination laws. As for this "its their house" attitude. Whose house is it? Which sector or Korean society are you referring to? Korea is not a homogenous entity, and our position in this society, even if we are foreigners, is open to negotiation. Ultimately, we will be treated how we let the powers that be treat us, and leaving if we don't like it is not the only option. We can do more, if we choose to. |
I think it's all telling why TheUrbanMyth hasn't EVER(in years) responded to your comment. Yet, he asks why I dug up this thread. Awww, he knows why even though he plays dumb by claiming duh on English. It's really very simple...E-2's are NOW being triple tested for drugs/HIV/AIDS within about 12 - 13 months. I wouldn't doubt he'd prefer it all be swept under the rug. |
All E2s?
Most E2s?
Some?
a few?
I mean do you have any factual proof to back up this up?
I am very curious to see it if you do have it. I mean we all know lots of teachers in Korea. I am still in touch with lots of them, many on E2s. Double tested or triple tested...never heard of that till this thread.
I also know lots of people who go through a fastrack renewal process for their subsequent E2s which in no way includes a new HIV test....
Anyway, lets see the evidence.
Wagner does state the case in the article linked earlier but his stance is well known and he is trying to make a point of law. Also, his article speaks of possibilities and hints and uneven application of these initiatives.....not all that clear. |
Given that it's a new MOE(presidential decree) law what do you think, you seem to know it all. And the Wagner double testing article is about 1 year old, it's now triple testing. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| SMOE NSET wrote: |
You need to do the health check ONCE every year. I've never heard of people having to do the test more than once unless they lost the original.
I don't see the big deal. Sure, it is "a lot" of money (not really) but isn't it worth knowing about your health? 65,000W (just paid this for mine) is less than a night out and I can sleep sound knowing my health is fine.
And, enough with this racist "Asians are dirty non-sense." Haven't read about how Genghis Khan avoided invading Europe because he thought they were barbaric, disgusting, and diseased? |
It doesn't sound like you work at a hagwon. READ! It's not like you're special though since your employer/Ministers signing contracts as of late have been found guilty of crimes and care less about invading your privacy than Korean Immigration(KIS). |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Troglodyte wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
I worked in Singapore and was required to have an HIV test for each visa, including renewals. As were all my expat friends/coworkers. Nobody moaned about it. None. Then, I applied for and received an American visa. Also had to take an HIV test. Both also required TB exams/x-rays. The Americans needed a criminal reference check. My better half has Canadian PR and they needed criminal checks too. That's life.
Will you people stop whining about this? If the Koreans want an HIV test give them one. If they want 10, give them 10. You are a guest. It's their house. You're embarrassing all Occidentals with this childish nonsense about "stigma" and "discrimination". It is their house. Not yours. Theirs. If they want you to submit a rectal exam, you do it. If you don't want to, don't live there. |
So did they ask you to do medical exams before or after you go the visa? Korea is one of the very few countries in the world that gives out a visa and someone enter the country and THEN screens them for medical problems. Most of the world considers that unethical. |
Love these statements.
Most of the world eh?
Lets get real here, Korea should ask for the medical test prior to issuing the visa but that would require more people to run a verification system abroad. Testing in Korea is easier.
Unethical? Now that is very debatable. I mean basically the health test can cancel the issued visa if it revealrs certain issues. So irritating for the person who flew over is more accurate than calling this unethical.
Of course, unethical sounds far more spectacular and dramatic. |
S. Korea is one of what six/seven countries out of about 60, what is so difficult to understand here? Unethical? If you'd for a moment consider against the S. Korea constitution and past rulings as counting toward "unethical" then you'd be putting one foot in front of the other. If not, then you will get them tangled up.
Frankly, it's worse than "unethical." For you to be debating the issue is funny since it's stated in the S. Korean constitution about all people being treated equally once we step foot on the ROK. Or, do you want to debate that?
I think you need to read the 1 year old article again, but let me remind you...
"The SMOE, however, has told teachers that the "HIV and drug test" is "a yearly requirement" and further warned that the test results are "an inspectable item at our office by the Korean government auditors and failure to turn it in will have an impact on your employment with SMOE."
Even though the yearly requirement(2 times every 12/13 months) is better than TRIPLE TESTS now included and E-2's are now facing because of the MOE, it still blows or would you like your blood vessels poked 3 times within a 12/13 period while no other teacher in S. Korea has to submit to such lunacy?
But, if you'd like to argue the 2005 Hun Ma #277 constitutional case which the article points out, get busy. I'd like to hear your reasoning on why a Korean criminal narcotics offender should get more consideration to "personal dignity and worth and the right to pursue happiness" than E-2's who have mostly done nothing wrong?
Unless you believe that the S. Korean government is correct to say that "E-2's must be repeatedly tested because they are by their nature addicts or habitual offenders"?
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:43 am Post subject: |
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OK nevermind LA...I see you prefer shrill aggressiveness to facts.
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Wildbore
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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Before you get too high and mighty about westerners and germs lets remember smallpox blankets. Last time I checked East Asians didn't use germ warfare as a means to genocide. |
They didn't use germ warfare because their technology was decades behind us. Shame, I think most soldiers fighting the Japanese would have preferred fast death by germ than slow death by rape, torture, and then bayonet to a non-fatal area where you would bleed out for days.
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STD tests don't cure a problem, they only tell you if you have it. And there are plenty of people back home who engage in risky behavior too. The West is certainly not a role model...I don't know where you are getting this racist garbage from.
Not to mention that a fair amount of these so-called "East Asians" can't afford a STD test or to see a doctor. |
Which is why most developed countries have free public health clinics as part of their public health infrastructure. Good survaillance, testing, and treatment has kept STD occurance in the west way below most other countries. Korea, as a so-called "developed" country, should join the common sense club already. |
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SMOE NSET
Joined: 25 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| SMOE NSET wrote: |
You need to do the health check ONCE every year. I've never heard of people having to do the test more than once unless they lost the original.
I don't see the big deal. Sure, it is "a lot" of money (not really) but isn't it worth knowing about your health? 65,000W (just paid this for mine) is less than a night out and I can sleep sound knowing my health is fine.
And, enough with this racist "Asians are dirty non-sense." Haven't read about how Genghis Khan avoided invading Europe because he thought they were barbaric, disgusting, and diseased? |
It doesn't sound like you work at a hagwon. READ! It's not like you're special though since your employer/Ministers signing contracts as of late have been found guilty of crimes and care less about invading your privacy than Korean Immigration(KIS). |
You are right. I work at a public school but my wife runs an English hagwon and her teachers only have to do the test once a year. They have never had to take a test more than once during their contract.
About the ministers crimes: irrelevant to this issue. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| They didn't use germ warfare because their technology was decades behind us. |
So wait, the Japanese in WWII were decades behind in technology than the US Govt during the Smallpox blanket era?
You mean during the Indian Wars the US had dive bombers, tanks, battleships, and jeeps?
You're not making any sense.
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| Which is why most developed countries have free public health clinics as part of their public health infrastructure. |
Of course the US is the exception to all this "Great Public Health Care" talk. You can't leave the US out of your schpiel.
Basic health care is far cheaper than in the States, so I have no clue what you're talking about. |
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pegasus64128
Joined: 20 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Expats and HIV: Stop the Stigma |
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UNAIDS reports that "countries (which) implement HIV controls on a regular basis for foreigners already in the country (and) require an HIV test to be taken annually, or whenever the work or residence permits need to get extended include Belarus, Cuba, Malaysia, the Republic of Moldova, Mongolia, and the Turks and Caicos Islands." and now Korea
Incidentally, Korea does have a lot more in common with those nations than they would ever admit, or even fully realize. |
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Wildbore
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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I'm still confused about the "at least east asians didn't use germ warfare as a means to genocide."
So the East Asians are ethically superior to us because their genocides revolved around rape, pillage, and random mass executions by shootings or stabbings?
I don't know where your going with this. The whole idea of smallpox blankets seems to be a play off the trojan horse concept. As a means to genocide it is very limited. It was probably more useful as psychological warfare than a means to genocide.
At least we were ethically mature enough that we weren't committing genocides in the 20th century (unlike our east asian friends). I think Korean soldiers even gunned down hundreds of their own citizens in Gwanju in the 1980s. Happy times I suppose. Don't need germs to commit a massacre, just ignorance and hatred.
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| Basic health care is far cheaper than in the States, so I have no clue what you're talking about. |
Nobody has a clue what your talking about. I believe it is the local public health offices that deal with STD outbreaks. As for free testing sites, that probably depends on the city/county health department. Although yes, any doctor/hospital could do a test as well (for a fee). |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| At least we were ethically mature enough that we weren't committing genocides in the 20th century |
Nazi Germany?
Oh and by the way, colonialism and apartheid and Jim Crow (all in the 20th Century) as well as Armistar and the like means that they were still ethically immature. Comparatively mature does not make you mature, it just means less immature.
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| Nobody has a clue what your talking about. I believe it is the local public health offices that deal with STD outbreaks. |
The local public health offices? In America? You mean the place where a ride in an Ambulance costs you a couple grand? You're talking like America actually has public health care and such.
Get a clue before you post. |
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