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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Tim Wise is not just some guy. He is a darling of the academic establishment. He goes on all the TV shows. He is respected because he spits venom at whites. You show me a similar WASP or Catholic. All you'll get is Kevin B. Macdonald who goes on Radio Free Mississippi once a year. |
I agree that the unfortunate idea of "diversity for diversity's sake," (as opposed to tolerance of diversity for the sake of pragmatism) is strongly manifest in Western academics, and that it leads to things like this in academics. That does allow people to profiteer off of bashing whites, and I'm not okay with it. And yes, that means that people who want to attack Jews (or blacks, or pretty much any other minority group) generally have to find other venues than university campuses to express their vitriol. They still exist, though.
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| The last time a Western country was this dominated by hostile Jews who hated the population tens upon tens of millions of people died. Including an entire section of my family. That is the risk in America. That the elite will turn on the country. There is sufficient hate in place. |
So now America is dominated by Jews who hate the population to such an extent that they're going to start killing poor innocent hard working gentiles by the tens of millions? I'm reading the article now, but what I've read so far essentially seems to argue that Jewish culture is evil and parasitic, and that the wisest course of action a nation can take is to drive the Jews out. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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We all know that the religious beliefs (which are their cultural beliefs) are very divisive and arguable harmful for non-Jews. Advocating violence or some ridiculous deportation is absurd.
What I would want though is recognition and abandonment of these divisive cultural attitudes and beliefs. But that's probably not going to happen and if they did I doubt the Christians and Muslims would do the same. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| So now America is dominated by Jews who hate the population to such an extent that they're going to start killing poor innocent hard working gentiles by the tens of millions? |
If we are forever considered able to jump back into psycho mode, I'll assume the same for Jews.
Be honest. It's true. The hatred is intense. Maybe contempt is a better word.
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It is easy to imagine which sectors of American society would have been
deemed overly backward and religious and therefore worthy of mass murder by the American counterparts of the Jewish elite in the Soviet Union�the ones who journeyed to Ellis Island instead of Moscow. The descendants of these overly backward and religious people now loom large among the �red state� voters who have been so important in recent national elections. Jewish animosity toward the Christian culture that is so deeply ingrained in much of America is legendary. As Joel Kotkin points out, �for generations, [American] Jews have viewed religious conservatives with a combination of fear and disdain.�68 And
as Elliott Abrams notes, the American Jewish community �clings to what is
at bottom a dark vision of America, as a land permeated with anti-Semitism and always on the verge of anti-Semitic outbursts.�69 These attitudes are well captured in Steven Steinlight�s charge that the Americans who approved the immigration restriction legislation of the 1920s�the vast majority of the population�were a �thoughtless mob� and that the legislation itself was �evil, xenophobic, anti-Semitic,� �vilely discriminatory,� a �vast moral failure,� a �monstrous policy.�70 In the end, the dark view of traditional Slavs and their culture that facilitated the participation of so many Eastern European shtetl Jews in becoming willing executioners in the name of international socialism is not very different from the views of contemporary American Jews about a majority
of their fellow countrymen. |
I understand multiculturalism and mass immigration into the West to be merely the latest manifestation of a long simmering ethnic conflict. With apologies Fox, I think it is entirely possible that a very bitter, angry group of people (never forgive, never forget, right?) will lash out again. The reverse of this is true in Europe. And no, I am not stating that "all Jews are" this or that. There is a hostile elite and they are, frankly, scary.
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| I'm reading the article now, but what I've read so far essentially seems to argue that Jewish culture is evil and parasitic, and that the wisest course of action a nation can take is to drive the Jews out. It reads like justification for another anti-Jewish pogrom. |
He makes no such argument. He discusses something that you're probably not used to seeing discussed: Jewish behaviour from the perspective of a non-Jewish critic. The behaviour of Jews in Eastern Europe was not all flowers and science. Not by a mile. That doesn't mean "drive them out". |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
If we are forever considered able to jump back into psycho mode, I'll assume the same for Jews.
Be honest. It's true. The hatred is intense. Maybe contempt is a better word. |
No, I don't think there's intense hate or contempt for the average white American to be found in the hearts of elite Jews. I think there's a willingness to profit off of foolish behavior, but that's about as far as it goes.
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| He makes no such argument. He discusses something that you're probably not used to seeing discussed: Jewish behaviour from the perspective of a non-Jewish critic. The behaviour of Jews in Eastern Europe was not all flowers and science. Not by a mile. That doesn't mean "drive them out". |
He doesn't make an overt argument to that end, but it's certainly where his ideas lead.
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| Jewish involvement in the Communist elite of the USSR can be seen as a variation on an ancient theme in Jewish culture rather than a new one sprung from the special circumstances of the Bolshevik Revolution. Rather than being the willing agents of exploitative non-Jewish elites who were clearly separated from both the Jews and the people they ruled, Jews became an entrenched part of an exploitative and oppressive elite in which group boundaries were blurred. |
What would you call this except evil? It certainly isn't positive, constructive, or ethical. And he's attributing this behavior to Jewish culture itself, not the behavior of a limited number of atypical Jews. A theme of Jewish culture is moving into nations and participating in the exploitation of the natives. How is that anything but purely negative from an ethical perspective?
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By emphasizing the necessity and distastefulness of traditional Jewish occupations, Slezkine also ignores the extent to which Jewish competition suppressed the formation of a native middle class in Eastern Europe.
(examples snipped out to save space)
Whatever one imagines might have been the fortunes and character of England with predominantly Jewish artisans, merchants, and manufacturers, it seems reasonable to suppose that the Christian taxpayers of England made a good investment in their own future when they agreed to pay King Edward I a massive tax of �116,346 in return for expelling two thousand Jews in 1290. |
What would you call this but an endorsement of the idea that it's best to drive the Jews away lest they drive your natives into agrarian poverty and take up the entire middle class for themselves? It's easy to say, "That doesn't mean drive them out," but construes not doing so as essentially condemning your natives to economic hardship as the Jews displace them and take advantage of them.
I'm trying to be generous here, and like I said, I'm still reading the article, but it's pretty clearly where he's going with this. Maybe you can construe him as a purely academically minded, objective person who is dispassionately reporting his findings, but I'm seeing a trend with regards to his editorializations. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| The behaviour of Jews in Eastern Europe was not all flowers and science. Not by a mile. |
Indeed. In fact, as has been documented, Zionists collaborated with the Nazis because more victims meant more support for an independent Jewish state. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Hollywood to a great extent was founded by jews. The "outs" in American society, jews , blacks found an avenue of success in the entertainment industry.
We could just as easily talk about the African-American dominance of sports. Another branch of the entertainment industry.
Being donors to politicians was a form of protection for jews in the u.s. they learned to grease the pols well because they did not want what happened in Germany and what happened in parts of the British commonwealth to happen in the u.s. SELF Preservation!! |
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