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TheUrbanMyth
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| So first off we should clarify that the Norks have a fission device (Hiroshima/Nagasaki style) which has roughly 1/10th the power of the fusion devices the US/Russia/China use. |
how do you know what he has???
American Intelligence have no idea what he has in his classified area.
do the Russians know what USA have in its classified area?
you are assuming KJI has a bomb which is weak.
I am assuming he has a bomb which is not as weak as we believe.
if his bomb is nothing, why do we even give a chit? why don't we just wave our hand at him and say. "dude you want to nuke something go ahead" your little bomb ain't gonna do chit." Go AHEAD! MAKE MY DAY!
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The 2006 North Korean nuclear bomb test had a yield of less than 1 kiloton. That's pretty weak.
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I'm no scientist but couldnt you just test a 1 kiloton bomb see if it works then multiply that by 100 with the right amount of uranium?
I mean in theory? |
No...it quite doesn't work like that. There are other factors to consider.
EDIT. Here is a link to consider.
http://www.nti.org/e_research/cnwm/overview/technical3.asp
It's not linearly scalable
For example 1 kiloton would create a fireball 150 meters in diameter
But 10 kilotons would only be around 400 meters
And 100 kilotons would be about 1 kilometer. If this were scalable the 10 KT would be 1500 meters while the 100 KT would create a fireball of 15000 meters (or 15 kilometers in diameter).
And the same non scalable effects hold true for blast wave over-pressure, Ionizing radiation and Thermal radiation.
Obviously a more powerful bomb does more damage. But it's not a strict linear scale...it varies widely depending on yield and delivery methods.
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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I believe if USA left. The Asians would sort it out peacefully. |
You must not be familiar with the region or its history. At all. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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I believe if USA left. The Asians would sort it out peacefully. |
You must not be familiar with the region or its history. At all. |
If the US army left, I wouldn't so confident in SK's army to defend themselves. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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you don't think KJI has his military training all day?
come on dude... |
He has them active, doesn't mean they are constantly drilling. They have scheduled exercises (large-scale drills) as well as daily drills. That army has to actually be deployed.
I know in your fantasy land a mass army can train like that 16 hours a day, 365 days a year, but it doesn't work that way. Soldiers need time in the field. Soldiers need R&R. Soldiers need to do things like repair vehicles and run electrical lines and repair a dam.
Not all soldiers are infantry. I believe, last time I checked, it takes 10 support personnel (might be both military and civilian) to put one combat soldier on the front line.
Seriously, stop studying fantasy doomsday scenarios, and start studying how an army works. The boring day to day stuff is what makes an army run. Things like ensuring your vehicles have an adequate supply of engine coolant, gasoline, and spare parts, and trained mechanics in place to work on them.
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I'm no scientist but couldnt you just test a 1 kiloton bomb see if it works then multiply that by 100 with the right amount of uranium?
I mean in theory? |
No it doesn't, as TUM's links shows. Seriously, before you make such strong claims, you might want to do some reading and research.
Read first, then opine. Don't opine and then read.
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| If the US army left, I wouldn't so confident in SK's army to defend themselves. |
They'd be alright. A lot more of the budget would go into the military and SK would ramp up its military capability. It's already well enough to defeat North Korea.
Also, if the US left, the South would go on the path towards nuclear weapons and exceed NK's capability in a couple of years. But neither the SKs, the Chinese, the Americans, nor anyone else in the region wants this, so better to let the good times roll.
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well let's hope your theory is correct if KJI did nuke us.
I think his bomb might be stronger than we think.
I mean how do we really know what he has built? |
This works both ways. It might be weaker or more ineffective than we think. |
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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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I believe if USA left. The Asians would sort it out peacefully. |
You must not be familiar with the region or its history. At all. |
that was then. this is now.
Why would KJI attack South Korea soon as the AMericans leave?
makes no sense. Americans are stationed in OKINAWA they could be here with a full ballistic military force and destroy North Korea within hours.
the south can hold the DMZ until the boys arrive.
you guys have been saying, that North Korea has no hope in hell to defeat the south, attack USA, or anything on those lines. let alone win a war.
so why would he try his suicide attack the day USA leaves?
I think if USA left it would be a good sign, and north Korea wouldn't feel so pressured, provoked and uneasy.
of course America can just send a message the day they load their last man on their boat.
" dude! we are watching you. one slight move and you are gonzo!" |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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I'm no scientist but couldnt you just test a 1 kiloton bomb see if it works then multiply that by 100 with the right amount of uranium?
I mean in theory? |
Fortunately it's a lot more complicated than that. Creating fission is a matter of compacting as much uranium as possible into as small an area as possible, as quickly as possible.
But you cant just slam two car-sized mounds of uranium together because if you have too much in one place it will begin to react and degrade (basically beginning fission a few atoms at a time, releasing radiation but no boom).
So you have to start with a small-ish amount of uranium which is not too dense. Then you can crash that into another amount of uranium.
Your first question is likely "Why not drop two at the same time?", which would be reasonable. The problem with that is that if one detonated millionths of a second before the other, the second bomb would be destroyed and the uranium could not be compacted to generate a second fission reaction.
On the other hand...
There is no real limit on the size of a fusion bomb, because once you do the difficult job of assembling a fission device that compacts hydrogen, you can just add as much hydrogen to the system as you like.
Again, fortunately, the Norks seem to have difficulty with the basic fission bomb, much less the precise power and arrangement required to fuse hydrogen. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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it's a lot more complicated than that. Creating fission is a matter of compacting as much uranium as possible into as small an area as possible, as quickly as possible.
But you cant just slam two car-sized mounds of uranium together because if you have too much in one place it will begin to react and degrade (basically beginning fission a few atoms at a time, releasing radiation but no boom).
So you have to start with a small-ish amount of uranium which is not too dense. Then you can crash that into another amount of uranium.
Your first question is likely "Why not drop two at the same time?", which would be reasonable. The problem with that is that if one detonated millionths of a second before the other, the second bomb would be destroyed and the uranium could not be compacted to generate a second fission reaction. |
Wow. We have a nuclear scientist teaching ESL in Korea. he knows how to make nukes.
Be careful the Norks don't kidnap you. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| and what combat experience has the Americans had in the past 10 years?shooting innocent people in Iraq? the North Soldiers are not sitting around in Bars in Itaewon getting their drink on. they are probably living a serious hard combat training life. 24/7! |
No.
They have been gardening and working on construction.
You over-estimate them. |
hahahahah yeah right....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOS0_WEuYUU
you ever seen the MASS GAMES?
KJI has students practice all year round to put on one of the greatest demonstrations in the world. these students have to work for hours a day
you don't think KJI has his military training all day?
come on dude... |
They don't have enough fuel for the tanks and planes. North Korean pilots have extremely low flying time practice due to this. |
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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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They don't have enough fuel for the tanks and planes. North Korean pilots have extremely low flying time practice due to this. |
sure, but hand to hand combat , ground assaults, tunnels, what ever else can be done without using fuel hahahahahaa |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreadays wrote: |
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| and what combat experience has the Americans had in the past 10 years?shooting innocent people in Iraq? the North Soldiers are not sitting around in Bars in Itaewon getting their drink on. they are probably living a serious hard combat training life. 24/7! |
No.
They have been gardening and working on construction.
You over-estimate them. |
hahahahah yeah right....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOS0_WEuYUU
you ever seen the MASS GAMES?
KJI has students practice all year round to put on one of the greatest demonstrations in the world. these students have to work for hours a day
you don't think KJI has his military training all day?
come on dude... |
No, they have to feed themselves.
You want to presume that they are a military machine, go ahead and do so. I know otherwise. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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They don't have enough fuel for the tanks and planes. North Korean pilots have extremely low flying time practice due to this. |
sure, but hand to hand combat , ground assaults, tunnels, what ever else can be done without using fuel hahahahahaa |
It's difficult to engage in hand to hand combat or ground assaults when a better trained better equipped air force has shot your air force down and is bombing and machine gunning you on the ground. Same goes for the tanks...they could easily stop any ground assaults |
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Koreadays
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:44 am Post subject: |
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They don't have enough fuel for the tanks and planes. North Korean pilots have extremely low flying time practice due to this. |
sure, but hand to hand combat , ground assaults, tunnels, what ever else can be done without using fuel hahahahahaa |
It's difficult to engage in hand to hand combat or ground assaults when a better trained better equipped air force has shot your air force down and is bombing and machine gunning you on the ground. Same goes for the tanks...they could easily stop any ground assaults |
yeah guess that's why they have China backing them up!
I'd hate to see how strong the Chinese military is in 30 years from now.
will be frighting I bet.
the battleship is entering the sea soon, I'm sure many more to follow. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:12 am Post subject: |
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They don't have enough fuel for the tanks and planes. North Korean pilots have extremely low flying time practice due to this. |
sure, but hand to hand combat , ground assaults, tunnels, what ever else can be done without using fuel hahahahahaa |
You can't be serious?
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I'd hate to see how strong the Chinese military is in 30 years from now.
will be frighting I bet.
the battleship is entering the sea soon, I'm sure many more to follow. |
Seriously dude, stop posting, start reading. Your massive ignorance on this subject is a detriment to yourself. |
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Koreadays
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:19 am Post subject: |
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They don't have enough fuel for the tanks and planes. North Korean pilots have extremely low flying time practice due to this. |
sure, but hand to hand combat , ground assaults, tunnels, what ever else can be done without using fuel hahahahahaa |
You can't be serious?
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I'd hate to see how strong the Chinese military is in 30 years from now.
will be frighting I bet.
the battleship is entering the sea soon, I'm sure many more to follow. |
Seriously dude, stop posting, start reading. Your massive ignorance on this subject is a detriment to yourself. |
na dude, just you are a staunch patriot who seems to think USA will rein forever on earth and are unstoppable.,
reality check.
THE USA's DAYS ARE NUMBERED, and they are losing in iraq and Afgan!
enjoy the top spot while it lasts..
but when USA falls, they will fall VERY HARD.
honestly most foreigners I speak to hate America.
not to mention...
USA has spent http://costofwar.com/
killed? over 100.000 people.
320,000 Vets Have Brain Injuries.
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq
how much money was spent? trillions of dollars
that money could have fed children in Africa for 10 years. but instead millions of those kids have to die because they have no food.
are we any closer to ending terrorism? NO.
winning the war? no.
so now hundreds of thousands pf people have died in this war. and millions of children in Africa.
the biggest and baddest military in the world are fighting some bandits in the hills!
we are loosing people everyday to this great military we are fighting 
and what's it all for?
World Peace... yeah right...
GO USA !! you truly are the greatest.
found bin Laden yet? ohh that's right the military is fighting with its legs tied and arms tied blar blar.. once they untie it, osama will be found, and the whole region will be cleaned..
yeah dude, wake me up when that happens.
until then. lets keep counting the body bags! and looking for terrorists in the mountains. we are doing such great work.
but north Korea will be like taking candy from a baby
dude.. put the flag away, and wake up.
USA couldn't beat the Vietcong.
the cold war with the Russians
they Couldnt win in Somalia
they lost in Beirut.
the world is no safer today than it was 30 years ago.
keep preaching.
the baddest military in the world with a 17 tonnage power over anyone else should walk over its enemies. but it doesn't.
it looses Billions daily, and kills millions of people. and then loses and returns home, and then spit on its veterans.
not to mention the USA can't even fight alone..
your great military is not that great.
Iraq AND afganistan prove this
terrorists, bandits in the mountains are fighting the greatest military in the world . and doing damage.
talk about david vs goliath .
10 years???
rebel bandits!
al Qaeda
Sunnis
all this will be better than North Korea right?
because the North Koreans are complete incompetent children with no fuel for their tanks and no food for their bellies.
we will walk all over them.
why not just nuke the mountain?
why not send in the air force and bomb the whole region?
why not finish up this war and go home?
I mean after all
this is TEAM USA we are talking about here..
the baddest military in the history.
we can kick anyones ass.
thanks .. I don't worry about North Korea anymore.
America proves to me than can protect us all.
they are doing such a swell job.
my advice.. USA needs to pack up their chit and go home before they get more Americans killed.. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| na dude, just you are a staunch patriot who seems to think USA will rein forever on earth and are unstoppable., |
No, I am someone who can do a sober analysis and not just start screaming how the USA's doom is just around the corner.
You're talking about things like hand to hand combat in modern warfare and the Chinese building battleships.
Latrine digging skill is more important than hand to hand combat training.
And battleships were obsolete in 1941.
Seriously, read a book.
You said you are ignorant of military strategy yet go on and on about it.
Proof positive that for some people the hardest words to say are "I don't know." |
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