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Lastrova
Joined: 30 Dec 2010
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 Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Globutron wrote: |
But I was being serious in that... well, really, I would put a lot of money on the idea that nurture and nature are entirely intrinsic to each other, completely mutually exclusive in all cases, to different degrees here and there.
It's a known fact that the construction of the brain affects the way we think, and is often an explanation for our differences. There is no solid ground or evidence as such mind, since it's such an intensely complicated organ.
It's very evident that most people seem to severely underestimate the effects of nature on a humans upbringing. |
Remedial studies classes take place concurrently all around the world, simultaneously, economically, ubiquitously, and occasionally for free. Take advantage. It'll do the nature of your brain a lot of good. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Lastrova wrote: |
| Sometimes, elderly ladies, no longer held captive by the demands of family and social expectations, can be damn funny. |
It's just a female attribute to be more bound up in the social. It makes women on the whole less individuated and adventurous, and therefore less funny.
There's also the fact that offensive women are less forgivable than offensive men. Women can't talk about gross things in an innocent way - it always comes off as lewd or unbecoming. Whereas Norm MacDonald can tell a story about his dirty, dirty cock and it will just be boyish mischief. Whether this is a social construct or not, it's a reality. |
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Lastrova
Joined: 30 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Koveras wrote: |
| Lastrova wrote: |
| Sometimes, elderly ladies, no longer held captive by the demands of family and social expectations, can be damn funny. |
It's just a female attribute to be more bound up in the social. It makes women on the whole less individuated and adventurous, and therefore less funny.
There's also the fact that offensive women are less forgivable than offensive men. Women can't talk about gross things in an innocent way - it always comes off as lewd or unbecoming. Whereas Norm MacDonald can tell a story about his dirty, dirty cock and it will just be boyish mischief. Whether this is a social construct or not, it's a reality. |
If you are implying that men are better at gross, scatalogical, body humor, you are totally right. But I hope that your sense of humor is more multileveled, diverse, cultivated, witty, subtle, dry and scathing than that. A lot of so-called guy humor just leaves me cold. And I can fart with the best of them. Like I said, there are many kinds of humor, it just may be whether some people appreciate one kind or another. I've watched a whole lot of comedies full of the pranks of grown men acting like adolescents. It's rarely funny to me. Cruel and offensive humor seems to turn on a lot of guys, but not this cat. A lot of this is cultural. The cruel and mocking sense of humor is not by any stretch universal. What's in these days is this lowest common denominator raunchy humor: ribald, scurrilous, blunt, and coarse, full of secret little in-jokes. That's one kind of funny anyways. |
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machoman
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Lastrova wrote: |
| Koveras wrote: |
| Lastrova wrote: |
| Sometimes, elderly ladies, no longer held captive by the demands of family and social expectations, can be damn funny. |
It's just a female attribute to be more bound up in the social. It makes women on the whole less individuated and adventurous, and therefore less funny.
There's also the fact that offensive women are less forgivable than offensive men. Women can't talk about gross things in an innocent way - it always comes off as lewd or unbecoming. Whereas Norm MacDonald can tell a story about his dirty, dirty cock and it will just be boyish mischief. Whether this is a social construct or not, it's a reality. |
If you are implying that men are better at gross, scatalogical, body humor, you are totally right. But I hope that your sense of humor is more multileveled, diverse, cultivated, witty, subtle, dry and scathing than that. A lot of so-called guy humor just leaves me cold. And I can fart with the best of them. Like I said, there are many kinds of humor, it just may be whether some people appreciate one kind or another. I've watched a whole lot of comedies full of the pranks of grown men acting like adolescents. It's rarely funny to me. Cruel and offensive humor seems to turn on a lot of guys, but not this cat. A lot of this is cultural. The cruel and mocking sense of humor is not by any stretch universal. What's in these days is this lowest common denominator raunchy humor: ribald, scurrilous, blunt, and coarse, full of secret little in-jokes. That's one kind of funny anyways. |
what's funny to you then? |
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Lastrova
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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what's funny to you then? |
Seems like a loaded question. And funny runs the gamut. From a sense of the ridiculous, innuendos, double entendres, puns, malapropisms, spoonerisms, a sardonic take, a subtle turning of the table, understatement, absurdities (existential and otherwise), a sudden wisecrack so true and obvious but one that everyone missed, all the way down to slapstick, unexpected turns of events, you name it. But, at the end of the day, it's got to be original and the timing has got to be spot on. And it's got to be original not because I'm some kind of snob, but because so many of the formulas have been overused and sucked dry. I can get a laugh out of a cartoon like Despicable Me, to Preston Sturges flicks like Unfaithfully Yours and Sullivan's Travels. Standup comedy almost never makes me laugh. Does get me thinking if the comedian is any good, though. Then again, what kind of funny are we talking about? Laugh-out-loud, smile, wonder, irony... |
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machoman
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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it's not a loaded question. you just seem to have a very high standard for humor.
what kind of funny? i guess not laugh out loud funny since i rarely laugh out loud even if i think something's funny. just funny in a way that you find entertaining.
what's wrong with stand up comedy? have you ever heard demetri martin?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBcxwrNTpGg
mitch hedberg?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqyiHlRGn5s |
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Lastrova
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I'll admit I have little patience for standup, and not because it can't be brilliant. I always get the funny in some kind of situation rather than in story telling, but it's also true that I was raised in a seriously religious home and any time I have to sit through some guy standing on a stage I get bible thumping flashbacks. I'll check them out. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Dev wrote: |
There is no shortage of brilliant funny women in TV like Gilda Radner, Lucile Ball and Carol Burnett, but not enough in stand-up comedy. I'd like to see more.
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Yeah, Gilda had the whole country rolling on the floor, as did Lucy and Carol in their time(which brings up another point, the time-relevance of comedy, even for men).
But since the topic is about stand up comedians, and stand ups presumably write their own material, maybe it's just that men are better comedic writers than women. I am not sure how much the above mentioned women contributed to any of the material used in their skits. But I could be wrong, maybe they wrote quite a bit of it.
Speaking of current brilliantly funny women, I'd like to add Nicole Sullivan to the list. She was a riot on the early MadTv programs, as were a few of the other women on that show.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005474/ |
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Greekfreak
Joined: 25 May 2003
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God, you could do a workshop on why most female stand-up comics are unfunny. But there are even more men who are unfunny, so the ratio is negligible.
I think there are more talented women in the sitcom world, talented comic actresses but not standard joke tellers. Some of them have already been mentioned, but people like Laurie Metcalf, Mary Tyler Moore, Carol Burnett, Catherine O'Hara, Annie Potts, Molly Shannon, Nicole Sullivan--they're better off in the writers room or performing sketch comedy, but probably wouldn't make anybody laugh from just talking to them.
Margaret Cho has never been able to make me laugh. Neither has Dane Cook. What do they have in common? They're both broads.
I'm a fan of edgy comedians, so unless a comic (male or female) is prepared to let it all hang out on stage, I won't pay any attention. |
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