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[JMO]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that

a) that class seems like a massive waste of time and money.

and

b) it does not signal the end of western civilisation.

[Space Bar]

^ How can that class be a waste of time when the activity

a) occurred out of class time; and

b) was optional?

[catman]

[caniff]

[mises]

[catman]

The vast majority of neo-cons are social conservatives.
They are your allies in the culture war against us liberals.

[On the other hand]

Actually, you wanna know what's a good case-study for this debate?

Here is a link to The Weely Standard, one of the leading neo-con magazines. You can leaf through that, and see how many articles you can find that would fit the bill as social conservative.

My guess is you won't find a lot. And it's not so much that the neo-cons actively disagree with the SoCons, but more just that they just don't care about the same issues. Now, yes, if you cornered a neo-con and asked him point-blank what he thinks about sexual morality, he'd probably say something about "Well you know, things are getting a bit out of hand these days, we need more personal repsonsibility, blah blah blah". But it's not something that's likely to be anywhere near the top of his list of things he wants to talk about.

As such, using "neo-cons" as your catch-all phrase for sexual conservativism is kinda like using "labor unions" as your catch-all for people who support sexual liberalism, on the justification that they agree with social liberals on a number of issues. The AFL-CIO is not really the driving force behind gay and lesbian equality, and for the most part is just "me-tooing" the opinions of other factions on the left. (And the unions are probably more actively involved in gay-equality than neo-cons are in "family values" issues).

And as a comparison, go to Mises' LifeSite link and check out their articles, and then compare them to what you see in The Weekly Standard. That might illustrate clearly the difference between neo-con and SoCon.

[catman]

I consider the vast majority of social conservatives to be neo-cons anyway. They support US foreign policy in the middle east with fervour. Especially the evangelicals.

........and both blame liberals/leftists for the "moral decay" of the west.

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[Menino80]

This is great stuff. The dessicated and disaffected decrying sex.

This class was extra credit and in no way took anything away from standard curriculum. Look at test scores since the "good old days", they have been increasingly steadily, even with all this pleasurable sex and lack of self-hating body shame. Disgusting isn't it?

[geldedgoat]

A professor at a Catholic university was suspended for hiring strippers, bringing them into the classroom, having them give him lap dances in front of students, and allowing students to do the same. Are we supposed to be surprised he wasn't fired outright?

[Menino80]

Extra credit does not detract from the curriculum. It's extra. The fact that he charged should have earned him the censure, not the strippers.

This infantilization of the youth is ridiculous. They're adults, they can get gut shot in Iraq, they can interact with strippers for extra credit (as long as its free extra credit )

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So, extra credit was for sale and a lap dance was included? That Prof. Rappaport is a marketing genius! Now I see why they gave him tenure. His course must be well worth the money.

[geldedgoat]

[Menino80]