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Privateer
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Location: Easy Street.
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University should be free. As it used to be.
If it was free the focus would be on education, rather than grades, especially grades-for-scholarships. |
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jfromtheway
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| That sounds expensive. |
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Hugo85
Joined: 27 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| International rankings have very little to do with quality of undergraduate education apart from the faculty to student ratio. |
ummm, no... |
Yes.
Look at the factors of the Times Higher Education rankings:
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/img/analysis-methodology.jpg
Not much related to education is there?
QS fares even worse, newsweek makes no mention of anything but faculty to student and ARWU is completely unrelated to teaching.
Unless you use some other rankings  |
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daunting
Joined: 05 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| Hugo85 wrote: |
| raptorsfan wrote: |
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| International rankings have very little to do with quality of undergraduate education apart from the faculty to student ratio. |
ummm, no... |
Yes.
Look at the factors of the Times Higher Education rankings:
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/img/analysis-methodology.jpg
Not much related to education is there?
QS fares even worse, newsweek makes no mention of anything but faculty to student and ARWU is completely unrelated to teaching.
Unless you use some other rankings |
Um, I'm pretty sure "reputational survey -- teaching", "reputational survey -- research", and "citation impact" are all very, very relevant to education. Their labels may be more ambiguous than "faculty to student ratio", but that doesn't mean they are meaningless. In fact, most of the criteria used seems to be relevant. "Ratio of international to domestic staff" might be a little questionable, but there's probably a good reason for its use that I am unaware of.
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| I don't think it's useful to discuss how hard Asian universities are compare to western universities or how the grading is done. These kind of suicides happens in competitive uni's in the west too, but in my experience the pressure to not be a failure and how easy it is to be socially labelled as a failure is much stronger in South Korea. |
Although competitive universities in the US (I can't vouch for other countries) do have elevated suicide rates, the rates in these top institutions do still pale in comparison to those in Korean universities. For example, MIT has one of the highest suicide rates (if not the highest) out of any university in the US, but its rate of incidence is about 18/100,000 students (undergraduates, computed over 1995-2000). According to the KAIST website, there are a total of 3452 students currently enrolled at the school. Given the four suicides over the past year, the undergraduate suicide rate for KAIST over this past year would be 116/100,000 -- over 6 times the rate of MIT. (Granted, the only data I could find is somewhat old, but if I remember correctly, the suicides at MIT have improved recently.) |
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