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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Been on the boards since 1997 so well over 10 years thanks.
Your post on hiring criterias was off the mark, wrong and hilarious.
Keep using it however, it IS a built in excuse for whatever happens.
By the way I left in 2008 so thanks for the innacurate 2005 comment. If you want I will run an experiment for you Julius. I will do a mock job search in Korea. Whatever you want as bet that I can land offers in 2 days and if serious a job in one week or less...thanks.
Why? Well because good jobs work through referals, thats true the world over. Another truth for you: relevant qualifications and experience put you in range of good jobs.
But if I contact some random recruiter now and apply for a PS position or entry-level haggie joib, my odds will be low because well...thats NOT what they look for. Took me all of 3 seconds to figure that one out by the way. After all this time in Korea it shocks me you have not clued into this....
Its NOT just about looks or gender or age. Unless of course you keep using recruiters who offer up entry level positions....then the more experienced you get, the less attractive you become as an applicant cause ya know ENTRY LEVEL.
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itiswhatitis
Joined: 08 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Been on the boards since 1997 so well over 10 years thanks.
Your post on hiring criterias was off the mark, wrong and hilarious.
Keep using it however, it IS a built in excuse for whatever happens.
By the way I left in 2008 so thanks for the innacurate 2005 comment. If you want I will run an experiment for you Julius. I will do a mock job search in Korea. Whatever you want as bet that I can land offers in 2 days and if serious a job in one week or less...thanks.
Why? Well because good jobs work through referals, thats true the world over. Another truth for you: relevant qualifications and experience put you in range of good jobs.
But if I contact some random recruiter now and apply for a PS position or entry-level haggie joib, my odds will be low because well...thats NOT what they look for. Took me all of 3 seconds to figure that one out by the way. After all this time in Korea it shocks me you have not clued into this....
Its NOT just about looks or gender or age. Unless of course you keep using recruiters who offer up entry level positions....then the more experienced you get, the less attractive you become as an applicant cause ya know ENTRY LEVEL.
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You seem to know what you're talking about....what your advice for my job search:
2 years experience at a hagwon and 1 year at a public school, contract is up in february (at the hagwon) and I am looking for a position in Seoul |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| cause ya know ENTRY LEVEL. |
They're all entry level. duh.
There are very few jobs requiring more than a BA and possibly some exp.
I work at an international school based on the above.
People work at unis with the same.
You claim to have a degree in education? More fool you then, for working in Korea. You'd do far better to go to a country that actually rewards such qualifications. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| cause ya know ENTRY LEVEL. |
They're all entry level. duh.
There are very few jobs requiring more than a BA and possibly some exp.
I work at an international school based on the above.
People work at unis with the same.
You claim to have a degree in education? More fool you then, for working in Korea. You'd do far better to go to a country that actually rewards such qualifications. |
Working in Korea? He just told you that he left back in 2008. He's posted before that he now works in Canada. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Been on the boards since 1997 so well over 10 years thanks.
Your post on hiring criterias was off the mark, wrong and hilarious.
Keep using it however, it IS a built in excuse for whatever happens.
By the way I left in 2008 so thanks for the innacurate 2005 comment. If you want I will run an experiment for you Julius. I will do a mock job search in Korea. Whatever you want as bet that I can land offers in 2 days and if serious a job in one week or less...thanks.
Why? Well because good jobs work through referals, thats true the world over. Another truth for you: relevant qualifications and experience put you in range of good jobs.
But if I contact some random recruiter now and apply for a PS position or entry-level haggie joib, my odds will be low because well...thats NOT what they look for. Took me all of 3 seconds to figure that one out by the way. After all this time in Korea it shocks me you have not clued into this....
Its NOT just about looks or gender or age. Unless of course you keep using recruiters who offer up entry level positions....then the more experienced you get, the less attractive you become as an applicant cause ya know ENTRY LEVEL.
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You seem to know what you're talking about....what your advice for my job search:
2 years experience at a hagwon and 1 year at a public school, contract is up in february (at the hagwon) and I am looking for a position in Seoul |
Well with that time in country the first question I would ask you is do you have any contacts (people who teach ESL, school managers, academic supervisors)? That is usually the best way to get some information on the jobs that are out there.
Since you are in Korea and I assume that after 2 years you know your way around, then you have the advantage of knowing the system so you can ask around (contacts) or do some local research about schools. Check out some of the sites that offer job ads locally (ie not looking to hire foreigners from abroad). Visit some schools and enquire about job openings. Talk to other teachers around you about anything they may know regarding potential openings.
All of this can typically generate some leads to jobs without going the entry-level recruiter way.
On recruiters, some recruiting sites do offer jobs to people who are already in Korea and who have experience. You have to check them out. I know some friends in Busan worked with a specific recruiting site that is no longer in service (from what I heard) and they focused on foreigners allready in country.
Finally your qualifications can determine what you can get too! If for example you are certified or have qualifications in certain subjects you could aim for international schools.
Thats just a quick answer. I hope it helps, if you want more precise information, pm me with more precise questions!
Good luck. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| cause ya know ENTRY LEVEL. |
They're all entry level. duh.
There are very few jobs requiring more than a BA and possibly some exp.
I work at an international school based on the above.
People work at unis with the same.
You claim to have a degree in education? More fool you then, for working in Korea. You'd do far better to go to a country that actually rewards such qualifications. |
Actually wrong again, no they are NOT all entry-level.
I do not claim to have a degree in Education,. I HAVE such a degree and I certainly did not waste my time while in Korea thanks. The University I worked for before leaving was certainly NOT an entry-level position. The Department was well-run and we had tons of professional development opportunities, great pay and conditions, opportunities to work on projects, committees and to organize some pilot courses that could be added to the program. That my friend is NOT entry level.
From what you claim you should very well know that there are many jobs out there in K-land that do value experience and qualifications. However, typically those positions are filled via referals or without recruiters.
If you work at an International school then you are certified. If you are certified then you can certainly (you have been in Korea for a couple of years right?) get far better pay and conditions in the International School market in Korea by making use of your experience and qualifications along with the contacts you must have made (unless of course you made no such contacts!).
Seriously, and based on what you said, if you think Korea does not value qualifications and experience, why do you stay there?
You must be certified so that means you can go almost anywhere and teach in international schools. There are numerous countries out there you could work in and Hong Kong for one offers a fantastic program for certified teachers. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| The University I worked for before leaving was certainly NOT an entry-level position. |
..you only needed a BA and some experience to get that job.
Those are the same requirements stated by many hogwons.
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| those positions are filled via referals |
I also worked at a university via a referral.
I've also worked at hogwons via referral.
Its meaningless patrick. All the jobs in korea are bog standard, they just want a white warm body.
You want to try and make out that you are somehow superior because you worked at chingchongchungbukdo university in 2005 (when they employed drug addicts so long as they were white and still had a pulse ) - that somehow you are the cream of the crop? hahaha don't make me laff ! |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
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| The University I worked for before leaving was certainly NOT an entry-level position. |
..you only needed a BA and some experience to get that job.
Those are the same requirements stated by many hogwons.
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| those positions are filled via referals |
I also worked at a university via a referral.
I've also worked at hogwons via referral.
Its meaningless patrick. All the jobs in korea are bog standard, they just want a white warm body.
You want to try and make out that you are somehow superior because you worked at chingchongchungbukdo university in 2005 (when they employed drug addicts so long as they were white and still had a pulse ) - that somehow you are the cream of the crop? hahaha don't make me laff ! |
1- The University required MAs of everyone for the position I held and for similar positions. Not only that, they required (still do) referenced and relevant experience and a solid professional track record. So yeah, not entry level at all thanks.
2- I know what I did and where I worked. You do not. You can think that its all crap because thats all you see or choose to see and do but sorry its not. I am far from alone in what I experienced or did.
The University I worked for certainly did NOT hire drug addicts and did value and pay for experience and qualifications. Its ok however, you clearly need to believe otherwise, it feeds your built-in excuse retort.
I know what I did and what I achieved and where it led me. You keep rolling around in whatever you want and keep using that as a built in excuse, it suits you.
I remain amazed you would stay in Korea at all since its such (in your view) a low place. Is your life limited to being a "warm white body"? Is that all the ambition and ability you have in life to be a walking body with a pulse?
Well if that is it, then sadly that is all you will ever be. It is kind of funny actually because your entire line of argument is basically driving home the fact that you are an unskilled, unqualified, unemployable caucasian with a pulse whose only potential job is working as some dead beat english teacher in a market (Korea) that hires based only on skin color and native language. Well, good for you for living in this walking contradiction! Now THATS worth a good LAUGH. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
[qAll the jobs in korea are bog standard, they just want a white warm body.
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So why continue to work here then if every job is "bog standard"?
Not only does that say something about you but it says something about your view of the other people who work here which is not very complimentary at all. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| 1- The University required MAs of everyone for the position I held and for similar positions. |
...thats funny because I was a professor with only a BA. So I did better than you for less.
And plenty of others did too. A Masters did not become a visa requirement until 2008 or thereabouts.
You really should have made more of your qualifications than being resident english clown at a korean McUni.
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| The University I worked for certainly did NOT hire drug addicts and did value and pay for experience and qualifications. |
2.1 a month? you could have done better at a mom'n pop shop.
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| I remain amazed you would stay in Korea at all since its such (in your view) a low place. |
When did I say that? I generally like Korea, have never stated otherwise.
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| your entire line of argument is basically driving home the fact that you are an unskilled, unqualified, unemployable caucasian with a pulse |
No, its driving home the fact that this was the only requirement to work here at the time you were here.
Things have moved on now Mister busan, you would have no chance now. They weed out balding middle-aged people at the application stage. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| So why continue to work here then if every job is "bog standard"? |
I said the visa and hiring requirements are bog standard. BA and a pulse.
That does not mean that teachers working here are not talented. It just means that its largely irrelevant to hiring practises wether they are or not.
Here I am with just a BA and i've worked at hogwons, public schools, private schools, a university and now an international school. Its who you know not what. Something PatrickBusan takes a great pride in.
Referral is more important than qualifications and I am living proof. Because even international schools employ people without formal teaching qualifications.
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| it says something about your view of the other people who work here which is not very complimentary at all. |
Actually the "non-complimentary" bit is directed solely at yourself and GBHbusan. It requires a special kind of loserdom for two guys to devote over a decade to trolling daves. lol |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
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| 1- The University required MAs of everyone for the position I held and for similar positions. |
...thats funny because I was a professor with only a BA. So I did better than you for less.
And plenty of others did too. A Masters did not become a visa requirement until 2008 or thereabouts.
You really should have made more of your qualifications than being resident english clown at a korean McUni.
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| The University I worked for certainly did NOT hire drug addicts and did value and pay for experience and qualifications. |
2.1 a month? you could have done better at a mom'n pop shop.
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| I remain amazed you would stay in Korea at all since its such (in your view) a low place. |
When did I say that? I generally like Korea, have never stated otherwise.
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| your entire line of argument is basically driving home the fact that you are an unskilled, unqualified, unemployable caucasian with a pulse |
No, its driving home the fact that this was the only requirement to work here at the time you were here.
Things have moved on now Mister busan, you would have no chance now. They weed out balding middle-aged people at the application stage. |
You were not a professor (neither was I by the way) you were an instructor but perhaps your university wrongly used the term professor to qualify your job.
Now the rest of your post is your usual floating garbage so I will ignore it but seriously Julius, something is odd here.
YOU stated a few posts back that I was not up to date with the job market now and that it was no longer 2005 and hence it was harder to find work. In a subsequent post you claimed the hiring criteria was to be white and have a pulse..now which is it genius? Is it hard to get a job or is it in range of any white BA holder with a pulse?
Furthermore, what does that make you? Why do you stay?
I mean it would seem that you are in fact an unwashed whitey with a BA and apparently a pulse and that this is all you aspire to be as you KEEP REMAINING in Korea!
This may point to some issues you have or simply to you being completely unable to form a coherent argument.
Now you conveniently switched to attacking me and Urban for "trolling"here when that is ALL YOU DO with such stellar posts as the one where you state all that is needed to work as a teacher in Korea is to be white and have a pulse. That again is HILARIOUS because it basically makes you out to be a complete failure in life beyond the fact that you are a caucasian and have a pulse.
You must have been great at debates in university, the one guy that could be relied on to sink his own ship by punching holes in her bottom! Pure comedy gold.
Now lets discuss FACTS, yes I know those annoy you because they contradict your built in excuse. I also realize you desperately need to drag everyone down to your mud pit in order to feel better about yourself (hence you incessant attempts at belittling what I did and what others have done as teachers in Korea).
I certainly did not accept a job for 2.1 at the University. The salary was far higher thank you. As I stated, that University did pay for qualifications and experience, and pay well above a 2.1 entry level salary.
As for my employability in Korea it is excellent because I kept improving my qualifications and know where to look for the better jobs. You however seem to be completely clueless about this as your industry-wide comments prove.
I ain't Mr Busan, but I sure can find a University job that pays a heck of a lot more than a paltry 2.1 if look for it.
I certainly would not be DUMB enough to apply with a recruiter and then whine about not getting call backs! That would be putting myself at a disadvantage as thats how you find entry-level positions that require just a BA and no experience and in fact prefer that.
So, take a deep breath Julius and look around the board, you will find many other people outside of myself that did very well in Korea. Most of them have higher qualifications and know what networking means.
Here is a clue for you Julius..maybe, just maybe you can figure it out there is a DIFFERENCE between VISA REQUIREMENTS and JOB REQUIREMENTS. I know thats a very complex concept for you to grasp but I am sure you can figure it out with sufficient time and effort. Ya see, the visa requires a BA and a few other things, thats called an entry standard (ie what is minimally required to be issued a visa). Employment requirements however can be vastly different, but I know thats hard for you to grasp.
Good luck out there mouthbreather. |
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