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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zulethe wrote:
Couldn't really put my finger on it but this post did the trick. I have a lot more respect for Koreans now - at least they stick up one another.

The average esler is a LDP who runs home scared at the first sign of trouble rather than help out his fellow foreigner.

Pathetic but true


yes it is pathetic people would decide whether or not to "help" eachother out based solely on the fact they happen to share some facial features and skin color with you.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zulethe wrote:
Couldn't really put my finger on it but this post did the trick. I have a lot more respect for Koreans now - at least they stick up one another.

The average esler is a LDP who runs home scared at the first sign of trouble rather than help out his fellow foreigner.

Pathetic but true


Most "fellow foreigners" here aren't eslers. And even if this wasn't the case in the above scenario, jumping in to help someone because they have the same skin color/job as you is just a dumb thing to do without considering the other circumstances. Not to mention racist.

If he's innocent then helping him whether he's foreign or Korean shouldn't matter.

But if he did something to cause him to receive a beatdown then I have no sympathy.
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ewlandon



Joined: 30 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember being in Portland Oregon (a nice liberal city) a few months before coming to Korea and some kids at a bus stop were flipping off me and my friend (a good 10 years older than them) then trying to look mean like they wanted to fight. It was really strange and awkward but they were just being tough teenage kids trying to impress their friends.

If I had got mad at them or said something it may have escalated into a fight, but i shrugged it off.

In this case we were all white males in a white country.

Race does come into play sometimes but sometimes kids just want to fight, and if you're drunk you may be more likely to do something to the instigator that will just escelate it to that level.

I hope I ever drunkenly end up in a situation like that while in Korea because fighting sucks.
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The Floating World



Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here

PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I hope I ever drunkenly end up in a situation like that while in Korea because fighting sucks.


Meh, as long as it doesn't end in extreme casualty or fatality, it's no biggie.

A man hasn't lived if he hasn't had a few rumbles.

As Tyler Durden says 'I just don't want to die without a few scars.'

"How much can you possibly know about yourself if you've never been in a fight?"

Wink

Note the usage of the emoticon to express that I realise not everone feels like this.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I propose a "fight thread" Godwin's law: As the length of the thread increases, the odds substantially increase that both MMA will be mentioned and fight styles argued over, as well as the movie Fight Club being mentioned.
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eat_yeot



Joined: 11 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
I propose a "fight thread" Godwin's law: As the length of the thread increases, the odds substantially increase that both MMA will be mentioned and fight styles argued over, as well as the movie Fight Club being mentioned.


Hey, no talking about Fight Club!
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to put Superman WT the crusaders account of what happened in perspective...

His thread: I stopped an assault

Hist first sentence in his OP:

Quote:
Last night was my first time going to the Hongdae area. I went with some people to a place called Hongdae Park. (I think that is the name of the park, but I'm not sure.)


Thread date: November 2011.

His later post where he states to have "owned" another poster putting his claims in question has a link that VERIFIES his story...yet the link points to a 3 year old thread. Laughing

So unless WT is also a time traveler....

Good grief you could not make this crap up if you wanted to!

I will give you this WT the Crusader, in your dementia you are highly entertaining!

That OP of yours was magical, could almost here the soundtrack of some cheesey movie...hint for your next story: make the foreigner in distress a girl so that puts you in the role of the good knight and firther demonize the assaulting Koreans.

Add details to the scene...here is some help for you:


Last night, I as I walked through a park in Hongdea, I went by a closed supermarket. It was a dark and windy night and the ligh breezed carried what appeared to be the muffled cries of a foreign woman. I immediately stopped in my tracks, my senses on edge, my muscles tensing. I heard the cries again and zeroed in on their location.

I rushed around the corner and into the alley. In the darkened alley, strewn with garbage, was a pretty young foreign girl. She was backed into the a doormway, frantically trying to open the locked door. In front of her stood 6 musclular feral evil Koreans out to no good. The gleam in their eyes screamed violence. Her shirt was torn and she had obviously been crying.

Throwing caution to the wind I stepped into the alley and screamed at these evil orientals to STOP. I waved my UN Crusdader Passport in the air to show them I meant business.

They hesitated, then laughed evily in that horrible barbarian tongue of theirs. The music started and they surrounded me. I then summonded my super duper foreigness powers and defeated these foes with my superiors manners, command of the English language and of course insurpassable skills. When I was done with the beat down, sweat pouring all over my body, the foreign girl ran to me and draped herself all over me, thanking me for saving her.

This is when I knew, my job for the evening was done....
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I shouldn't even dignify that with a response.

But yes, another poster (a well known troll who likes to pick e-fights), stated (with certainty) that my story was a lie. Ah yes, it was so far fetched, right?

I posted a link to a story of another person who was attacked in the same park without provocation. (To show that, yes, it does happen.)

I didn't even definatively say that what I saw had racist origins, but there have been racist attacks in the past, as one can see from the numerous other accounts within this thread (at least one of which has been deleted by a mod).
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now no WT...that thread in NO WAY verifies your story. An ACTUAL NEWS STORY from last night would have done that.

A 3 year old thread does not verify anything that you said.

Still, it WAS an entertaining read...keep that fiction coming and if you work on your craft may produce some entertaining short stories or perhaps a smashing graphic novel if you can draw!

I can see already: The WT Chronicles.
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ZIFA



Joined: 23 Feb 2011
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Floating World wrote:
A man hasn't lived if he hasn't had a few rumbles.


lol.. thats true but...the as you get older the key is distinguishing between what is really necessary and what isn't.

Its a bit like what they say on the discovery channel. "The ultimate predator carefully weighs risk and reward". Laughing
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toby99



Joined: 28 Aug 2009
Location: Dong-Incheon-by-the-sea, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I go out in Hongdae quite often and see a good number of folks get jacked up, however I assume it's due to drinking themselves silly (and with 1,900 won shots of tequila found on every corner, it ain't hard to overindulge) and fighting over chicks. Most of the action I see are Kyopos getting into it with the locals or vice versa, usually pissed out of their skulls and fighting over some broad they met at the Tinpan. I have rarely (if ever) seen a westerner get caught up in that riff raff, at least not in Hongdae (Itaewon is another story).
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Seoulman69



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard stories and a lad from my work got beaten up in Hongdae for no apparent reason, so it does happen.
I'd advise to stay in groups and keep yourself to yourself. If you find yourself in trouble then try to run away. If it's not possible then I hope you know some self defense.
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Bloopity Bloop



Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was watching a fight between 2 natives a month or so ago when a drunk Korean sucker-punched me in the head from behind.

I yelled, "WTF?!", turned around and was about to put in some work when his friend, who seemed to have just been watching as his friend randomly attacked me, suddenly jumped in and started apologizing to me in English.

So... if he hadn't known I was a foreigner, would he have just let me beat his friend into the ground? Or maybe try to take me on, too?

Really odd.

(I'm an Asian-American and Koreans almost always think I'm one of them)

This all happened around Konkuk Uni. In the 1.5+ years I've lived in this part of Seoul, it seems like college aged males seem to be getting more aggressive. I don't mind a scrap, though, so it ain't all bad Cool
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Floating World wrote:
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This is why everybody should take up a self-defense technique,


Yeah boxing or muay thai or something direct and brutal.

Do not bother with hapkido, taekwando or even karate ime.

Unless you're multi dan blackbelt, those moves wont help you at all against just an average street brawler.

Like chrisinkorea said, you want direct, easy to carry off blows such as throat punches / grabs / eye attacks, ear attacks, groin attacks, elbows or a knee attack and by that I mean tryin to take the other person's knee out or kneeing them.

Something that will put a person down or make them hesitate whilst you then get the hell otta there.

I was very dissapointed when the stuff I learned in the dojang did not translate ot jack all on the street against even just average guys.


Which martial art did you take and for how long did you take it? I would think you'd have to be a 2nd or 3rd degree black belt to be able to really fight well. I had also been under the belief that Hapkido was one of the better martial arts because of deflecting the openents body strength.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrisinkorea2011 wrote:
Charlie Bourque wrote:
Why the heck are people suggesting taking taking weapons or learning boxing or some other style of striking? If a group of 2-3+ people want to f*ck you up, they will. In this case, the #1 self-defence system is running away -- if they can't catch you, they can't hurt you.

Even if you need to stand your ground, you still don't want to slug it out with people. There is something inherently violent - i.e. too aggressive - about striking someone, even if it's in self-defence, in the eyes of the [Korean] law. You're much better off throwing/pinning your attackers, especially if you are in plain sight of bystanders.

Take these two scenarios:

a) You get into an argument with someone in plain view of bystanders. No one can really tell who is right or wrong, but they can see that things are going to escalate soon. Your "attacker" tries to grab you and/or take a swing at you. You react by shattering his jaw, then tell people you were attacked and reacted in self-defence.

b) Same as above, only this time you throw them off you and/or pin them. You keep them pinned while asking bystanders to break up the fight, never hurting the attacker, only restraining him. If no one helps, slowly put them to sleep, then walk away.

Now, which scenario is more likely to get you into trouble? The one where you shatter some drunk's jaw, or the one where you restrain them? I've been teaching self-defence for years, and I stand firmly behind the position that grappling is [legally] a better alternative to striking. Whether you knock someone out or you choke them out, the end result is the same - they are unconscious.


There are many flaws in what you say, and allow me to point them out

Any grappler or person who studies and teaches (YEAH i have taught different martial arts) knows that you DONT grapple with someone who has a weapon. you DONT know how flexible someone is NOR if they have a weapon in their pocket, and there is NO hold or technique that cant be reversed in some direction or way.

The same with running, we are NOT all long distance runners and if they already surround you, then where are you gonna go? and also you DONT know if they have some friends around you or backing them up, you grapple or try to put them to sleep and then u get hit from the side or back, then where are you?

HURT or DEAD. thats where.

An eye rake blinds the opponent without destroying their vision permanently. a knee shot will NOT kill someone. If you have to break their fingers or wrist then so be it, a broken wrist or fingers will prevent them from getting a weapon aimed at you. If try to put them in a sleeper hold or gulliotine which cuts oxygen off to the brain they could possbly have brain damage from that EVEN if they were trying to attack you.

I question your teachings seriously. This isnt the land of fair fighting, grappling MAY work in a one on one fight but that RARELY (as in 5% of the time or less) happens.


So, which martial arts are considered the best? I know Muay Thai and MMA are getting pretty popular back home. But not available outside of Seoul. So, I was opting for Hapkido here locally. Think it might be more effective than Judo or Tai Kwon Do, but I'm no expert on the matter. I'd prob try to upgrade later on with some of that other stuff.
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