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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
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Eight year vet by the way. The only thing lower than the MP are pukes that never wore the uniform.
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Hey T-J...just hoping to get something cleared up here.
Who are you referring to in your comment there.
Any military who never wore the MP uniform?
Any American who never wore any military uniform?
Or anybody at all who never wore a military uniform?
Sorry to ask...just seemed like an odd statement to make without a bit more specific reference. |
Directed at people who have a prejudice toward the military that never served. Sorry.
*note to self- stop posting after eight pm*
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
What a horrible experience!! You had to show your i.d. I am surprised you survived. Now back to
Ding
DOng ding Magic Hines Word Disney Academy you go. GEt em tiger. |
Teaching kids is better than invading countries and killing innocent people. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| rollo wrote: |
What a horrible experience!! You had to show your i.d. I am surprised you survived. Now back to
Ding
DOng ding Magic Hines Word Disney Academy you go. GEt em tiger. |
Teaching kids is better than invading countries and killing innocent people. |
Grunt soldiers don't make strategic decisions. And I'm guessing a sizable number of soldiers stationed in Korea are not combat veterans.
I respect soldiers who choose to join because it is what they want to do (assuming its for good reasons) same as I give an extra notch of respect to NETs who are doing this because it is what they wanted to do professionally. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| rollo wrote: |
What a horrible experience!! You had to show your i.d. I am surprised you survived. Now back to
Ding
DOng ding Magic Hines Word Disney Academy you go. GEt em tiger. |
Teaching kids is better than invading countries and killing innocent people. |
Grunt soldiers don't make strategic decisions. |
Grunts make a huge decision. They decide whether or not to join an organization whose primary function is to kill people in foreign lands- many who are innocent. |
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Drew10
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| rollo wrote: |
What a horrible experience!! You had to show your i.d. I am surprised you survived. Now back to
Ding
DOng ding Magic Hines Word Disney Academy you go. GEt em tiger. |
Teaching kids is better than invading countries and killing innocent people. |
And I'm guessing a sizable number of soldiers stationed in Korea are not combat veterans.
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Why would you guess that? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| rollo wrote: |
What a horrible experience!! You had to show your i.d. I am surprised you survived. Now back to
Ding
DOng ding Magic Hines Word Disney Academy you go. GEt em tiger. |
Teaching kids is better than invading countries and killing innocent people. |
Grunt soldiers don't make strategic decisions. |
Grunts make a huge decision. They decide whether or not to join an organization whose primary function is to kill people in foreign lands- many who are innocent. |
Most grunts have the barbaric job of maintaining vehicles, transporting bulk packages, getting water purification systems running, constructing things, dealing with fuel depots, staring at computer screens, filling out paperwork, and so on.
In the 90s most people signed up because you'd get money for college and at most would participate in something like Bosnia or Haiti where you airlift supplies to earthquake victims and maybe take on the occasional warlord whose forces would largely scatter when the heavy firepower rolled through.
In the 80s and before it was all about the Cold War and standing up to the Soviets.
In the first few years after 9/11 people wanted to "Protect America". Yes, there's some real gung-ho types, but it's not like some band of Visigoths.
People like to think of the enlisted men of the army (and even the army as a whole), of any nation, as some sort of bloodthirsty gang of stormtroopers. History has shown time and time again that that is seldom the case. The military, particularly in more militaristic societies, actually is often the moderate group and the political wing is often the more likely to promote force. Likewise, "grunts" don't show overwhelming enthusiasm for constant high-risk combat for combat's sake. A few battles, usually one, and one usually realizes how easy it is to die and looses their enthusiasm for the whole thing, though there are exceptions. |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| I've never been asked (don't look like a GI, I suppose), but I'd just show them my ID. They're just doing their jobs, I just want to have fun. Not everything needs to be a showdown of principles. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:54 am Post subject: |
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Let's try this again, maybe this time it'll stick: It is not the MP's job to be checking non-SOFA personnel for proof of identity off-base.
Got it now? |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
Let's try this again, maybe this time it'll stick: It is not the MP's job to be checking non-SOFA personnel for proof of identity off-base.
Got it now? |
And yet, if they asked me, I would show them and get on with my life.
*shrugs* |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:53 am Post subject: |
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Let's try it this way. Say you are an American civilian in a popular club district in San Diego, California. Let's say that a Korean Navy ship is in port in San Diego and that the ship's crew is permitted shore leave. Let's say that the ship's captain has directed his Shore Patrol to patrol the club district. Of course, the Shore Patrol (aka MP) are in uniform and clearly identifiable as Korean Navy Shore Patrol. The Korean Navy Shore Patrol member approaches you and demands to see your identification card.
What are you going to do? |
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transmogrifier
Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
Let's try it this way. Say you are an American civilian in a popular club district in San Diego, California. Let's say that a Korean Navy ship is in port in San Diego and that the ship's crew is permitted shore leave. Let's say that the ship's captain has directed his Shore Patrol to patrol the club district. Of course, the Shore Patrol (aka MP) are in uniform and clearly identifiable as Korean Navy Shore Patrol. The Korean Navy Shore Patrol member approaches you and demands to see your identification card.
What are you going to do? |
In this scenario, shouldn't I be, say, a Chinese civilian in San Diego, seeing as in real life, I am neither Korean or American?
I'm confused; in my confusion, I show this KNSP person my ID card and get on with my life.
*shrugs* |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:38 am Post subject: |
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Jesus, some of you make it seem like an MP will spot you across the room, and somehow automatically know you are civilian and proceed to harass you just for giggles.
How hard is it to see that they DONT KNOW you are civilian or enlisted, and the ID check is merely a step to identify whether you are military or not (as was said earlier, they want to know who they need to be responsible for)
If some of you knew for a fact that an MP knows you are not military and yet asks for your ID anyway, and you knew for a fact that they are doing it just to be a pain...then I could get on board with some of the comments and might even fight the good fight myself.
However, I have a hard time believing that MP's are out to harass non-military people, and in fact would argue the opposite.. that they likely do not want to encounter non-military people at all...people that they have no power over. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| transmogrifier wrote: |
I'm confused; in my confusion, I show this KNSP person my ID card and get on with my life.
*shrugs* |
I get on with my life by not rolling over to people with no authority over me. You know, like the USFK military police off-base have no authority.
It's irrelevant if they suspect me of being in the military. Fine, they can suspect me all they want. They do not have the right nor authority to interrogate me, search me, or demand I present identification to them to prove that I am not under their authority. The issue is simply that they have no authority over non-SOFA personnel off-base in South Korea. You do remember the question asked in the OP of this thread, don't you? That is the factual answer to the question asked.
FWIW: In my infrequent excusions to Itaeweon, I have never been queried by an MP nor have I seen anyone else queried by an MP. |
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wuzza
Joined: 02 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
I get on with my life by not rolling over to people with no authority over me. You know, like the USFK military police off-base have no authority. |
I wonder how long you would hold that line if the Korean Navy Patrol Officer then said that as he couldn't determine whether you were Korean Navy Personnel or not, he would have to hold you until an American Police Officer came, and asked for your ID, at which time you would have to show it anyway.
I've been ID-ed a few times, and the MPs have always been extremely polite. It's not like they're frisking you up against a wall or inputting your whereabouts into a Big Brother computer.
FWIW, I also don't believe you should have to show your ID, but it's a lose-lose situation to protest it. Iv'e been out with friends who talked the big talk about telling the MPs to f-off, only to see them crumble as soon as they realized that it doesn't get you anywhere to argue, and it only ruins everyone's night. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:47 am Post subject: |
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As for the ID thing, it totally comes down to context.
A couple of MPs doing a sweep and IDing everyone left, right, and center and not making a big deal about it- yeah, pull ou your ID and move in. They aren't trying to make an issue, especially about you. They're on autopilot.
Now if they're being jerks and just going over to you for no reason, yeah stand up for proper procedure and whathaveyou.
It's not if they're asking for ID, it's how they're doing it. |
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