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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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 Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
| There is a difference between DISTANCE and ONLINE when it comes to university degress. BIG one. |
They are both used interchangeably. Distance education has been around for decades and was used to describe courses taken by students often in rurall areas who received their materials and submitted assignments by US Mail.
However, at the turn of the century with teh advent of the Internet, people are now able to take courses at distance using online technology.
No need to be pedantic about, however, it's all the same - distance education. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Amongst the top 200 universities in the world there are quite a few who offer distance education programs. |
Nothing against those unis but to Koreans most of those unis they wouldn't know.
Top tier for me is more like top 20-30. Those unis get ridiculous endowments/funding and have no need to offer cash grab diploma mill style distance MA TESOLs. They also have no desire to offer 100% distance degrees online with lax admission requirements. They aren't going to let someone walk away with a Berkeley diploma when the individual never even showed his/her face on campus and didn't have their work evaluated by a tenure holding faculty advisor and professor. One of the reasons Birmingham turned me off was because I had no access to the top profs...just some kind of former Bham distance grad as a "mentor."
MA TESOLS are really a cash cow for all these unis. Faculty heads don't have to deal with MA students in their office. Administration is simple. No classes required, just post on a message board and mail in your essays for them to be graded by untenured staff and we'll give you the degree. The uni makes money hand over fist.
I'm not knocking people who did part-time distance. They did it most likely because of money or family and had no choice. |
australia has made billions of dollars over the last decade by offering such degrees. they are full of asians who can't pass teofl or even speak English. basically, it's been - you pay, you get the degree.
there's even been some publicly reported scandal, in fact, over this. but for a long time it's been kept hush hush.
Birmingham was a joke for some Ph.D distance students I've talked to, also. Once a month they get a chance to talk to someone and often were blown off for various reasons. Sometimes teachers had quit or they were passed on to other teachers who didn't seem to give a shit about what they were doing. And they were paying big bucks to take tehse courses. I've talked to a few people who've dropped out of the program after spending thousands of dollars completing courses and over serveral years.
It's something they can barely bring themselves to even talk about they're so pissed off about it. |
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Seoulman69
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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I am British.
No-one with a BA - even studying for an MA - ever taught or led tutorials that I was part of. I was studying Linguistics so it might be subject dependent - I don't know. I am willing to read other peoples experiences though. If anyone has any experience of this subject, then please fire away! |
We had someone who was studying for their MA that took a tutorial class.
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Birmingham was a joke for some Ph.D distance students I've talked to, also. Once a month they get a chance to talk to someone and often were blown off for various reasons. Sometimes teachers had quit or they were passed on to other teachers who didn't seem to give a shit about what they were doing. And they were paying big bucks to take tehse courses. I've talked to a few people who've dropped out of the program after spending thousands of dollars completing courses and over serveral years.
It's something they can barely bring themselves to even talk about they're so pissed off about it. |
I did my MA at Birmingham and was overall disappointed with the whole experience. Friends of mine are doing an MA at Framingham and are paying FAR less than I paid. I wouldn't recommend Birmingham to anyone. In fact I would advise people to avoid the place like the plague. |
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robbie_davies
Joined: 16 Jun 2013
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| Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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australia has made billions of dollars over the last decade by offering such degrees. they are full of asians who can't pass teofl or even speak English. basically, it's been - you pay, you get the degree.
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This dog is barking regarding British universities as well as they pass people who can barely speak English in exchange for international fees.
I was told by a classmate that there are agencies in China that specialise in placement for Chinese students to study at British universities who are guaranteed to pass, whatever their academic or English level is at. This is on-campus study by the way, not online.
According to my classmate, there are universities in the UK where you are guaranteed to graduate as long as you are paying international fees, when this is exposed to the wider public. There will be a few more Tesco's built where universities once stood.
From where I am standing - It seems like a cashgrab until they are exposed. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm With You wrote: |
According to my classmate, there are universities in the UK where you are guaranteed to graduate as long as you are paying international fees, when this is exposed to the wider public. There will be a few more Tesco's built where universities once stood.
From where I am standing - It seems like a cashgrab until they are exposed. |
You think people don't know this? Everyone know this. Hell, many of the domestic kids let into uni should not be or initually they qualified but they failed so many classes technically but got passing grades buy unis that needed their money.
It is a money game man. Everyone knows that. The only unis that don't need to buy students are the ones that can attract student bodies of excusively high achieving students and that is not all unis - less than a quarter. The rest gotta make do with a few good and a few shady students that "donate" or buy their way through. I have seen it too man. |
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