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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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I am inclined to give your girlfriend's friends the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they are just worried you are like the "average Western guy" and merely plan on sleeping around with other girls, getting wasted on the weekends, etc. etc.
As opposed to the average Korean guy who'll marry you, and then start the sleeping around and getting wasted?
Links please. Or are you speaking from personal experience? |
I just believe that one rediculous generalisation deserves another ... |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:16 am Post subject: |
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Corp,
Well said indeed...about time someone called him on that.
Well done. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| Actually that WAS my point...that we should avoid these kinds of "average K-guy, average Western guy" kinds of comments, as they are not helpful and have no relevance to the topic here. |
So let me get this straight, you were making the point that we should avoid these "average K-guy, average Western guy" kinds of comments by posting an "average Western guy" kind of comment? Oh, ok, I got it now.
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Perhaps it's just that I, and a few others on the board, are waiting for a post from Kiwiboy in which he doesn't assert either openly or more deviously that he is a far better catch than any Korean man and the K-women are falling at his feet waiting to be rescued, and that "statistics bear it up". |
Wait no more, you've found what you're looking for in this very thread. No where in this thread have I even remotely come close to suggesting I'm a far better catch than any Korean man. So either show some explicit quotes or apologise for making things up out of thin air. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:23 am Post subject: |
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How can it be all racism when it also happens to Korean males all too many times?  |
I assume that you mean families/friends of non-Korean gilrs disapprove of their relationships with Korean guys specifically because of the Korean guy's race. If this is what you mean, then it is also racism.
The difference between you and I indiercj, and the reason I argue with you so much, is your refusal to admit that this goes on in Korea. I am Canadian. This kind of thing goes on in Canada. Those Canadians that think this way are wrong. They are not misunderstood. They are not jealous of the Korean guy. They do not have some other good reason for it. And, unfortunately, there are more than a couple of them that think this way. I will not defend Canadians that I think are in the wrong just because I happen to be Canadian too.
If Kiwi's girl's friends don't want her to see him simply because he is not Korean, what would you call it? I would love to hear this.
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Another useless thread coming to close with the all too familiar "it's all racism, ignorance, illogic" plate on it. Not a single step further.
Just amazing. |
Koreans don't half teach me valuable lessons. I must remember what to tell Asians in the UK who complain about racism there. I have a few Asian friends in the UK and I have often heard them say "it's racist here lalalala". |
The Asian friends I know in the UK all say that too. Depressing...  At least some of it is due to misunderstanding cos people just get the wrong end of the stick sometimes.
Racist people I've met in the UK, however, respond to accusations of racism exactly as the people defending Korean racism do: denial and excuses.
I heard this once:
'I'm not racist. I just don't think white and black people should marry. Otherwise we'd all end up coffee-coloured.'
The guy saying it seemed completely unaware he was being racist. I like to think that, in the UK at least, this kind of statement comes from ignorance - cos the guy saying it wasn't so educated. In Korea it's still ok for educated people to make statements like this. |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| Even says Korean guys are not for her as she wants more freedom and they don't respect her. Apparantly it's mutual, as K guys don't go for her very much cause she's "not girly enough" and "too worldly". Plus she loves sex and is comfortable and open about it. I guess that's a bit too much of a strong package for the average K guy, but it suits me down to the ground. |
There you are, is that explicit enough for you? |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:29 am Post subject: |
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It's official, Corporal has lost her mind. So, we're looking for where I ...
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assert either openly or more deviously that he is a far better catch than any Korean man and the K-women are falling at his feet waiting to be rescued, and that "statistics bear it up". |
... and someone thinks we've found that here ...
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Even says Korean guys are not for her as she wants more freedom and they don't respect her. Apparantly it's mutual, as K guys don't go for her very much cause she's "not girly enough" and "too worldly". Plus she loves sex and is comfortable and open about it. I guess that's a bit too much of a strong package for the average K guy, but it suits me down to the ground.
There you are, is that explicit enough for you?
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Not in the slightest. We're looking for me to "assert I'm a better catch" and yet I make no reference whatsoever to my own personal qualities. I refer to her qualities, I refer to how she perceives K guys, I refer to how K guys perceive her, and I refer to how I perceive her. Like I said, no reference to my own desirability one way or the other.
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| Even says Korean guys are not for her as she wants more freedom and they don't respect her. Apparantly it's mutual, as K guys don't go for her very much cause she's "not girly enough" and "too worldly". Plus she loves sex and is comfortable and open about it. I guess that's a bit too much of a strong package for the average K guy, but it suits me down to the ground. |
There you are, is that explicit enough for you? |
Um...I think he is quoting his girlfriend. He isn't actually saying these things.
Even if he did say the things you allege, how would it excuse the fact that his girlfriend's friends told her to stop seeing him specifically because he is a foreigner? |
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indiercj
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| How can it be all racism when it also happens to Korean males all too many times? |
I assume that you mean families/friends of non-Korean gilrs disapprove of their relationships with Korean guys specifically because of the Korean guy's race. If this is what you mean, then it is also racism.
The difference between you and I indiercj, and the reason I argue with you so much, is your refusal to admit that this goes on in Korea. I am Canadian. This kind of thing goes on in Canada. Those Canadians that think this way are wrong. They are not misunderstood. They are not jealous of the Korean guy. They do not have some other good reason for it. And, unfortunately, there are more than a couple of them that think this way. I will not defend Canadians that I think are in the wrong just because I happen to be Canadian too. |
No. Please read my posts before answering me for Christ's sake.
I am not saying it is not happening to foreigners in Korean. I am saying that any K-girls will tell her friend to call it quit whenever her KOREAN boyfriend seems to have no intention to marry her! How do you call that? |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| I am not saying it is not happening to foreigners in Korean. I am saying that any K-girls will tell her friend to call it quit whenever her KOREAN boyfriend seems to have no intention to marry her! How do you call that? |
I call it of no relevance to this thread. The friends made thier response immediatly upon hearing she was dating a foreigner. They did not have any information one way or the other that could have suggested I was or was not intending to marry her. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| How can it be all racism when it also happens to Korean males all too many times? |
I assume that you mean families/friends of non-Korean gilrs disapprove of their relationships with Korean guys specifically because of the Korean guy's race. If this is what you mean, then it is also racism.
No. Please read my posts before answering me for Christ's sake.
I am not saying it is not happening to foreigners in Korean. I am saying that any K-girls will tell her friend to call it quit whenever her KOREAN boyfriend seems to have no intention to marry her! How do you call that? |
I did read your post. I thought it was ambiguous. It is not my fault that you have trouble expressing yourself clearly. I wasn't sure what you meant. I ask you to do me the same courtesy and read my posts...for Christ's sake. I did say that I ASSUME you meant a certain thing. I said that IF this is what you mean, then I think the following.
Now...If Kiwi's girlfriend's friends want her to break up with him specifically because he is a foreigner:
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| Girl I'm seeing informs me that when she told her friends she was seeing a foreigner thier collective response ( every single one ) was to say "You must stop seeing him immediately, he's a foreigner". |
...and NOT because of whether or not he will marry her (WHICH THEY NEVER MENTIONED), how is it not racism?
Dodged another question. You're getting good at it.
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:47 am Post subject: |
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I think the problem here is that Korean girls are more likely to give the korean guy the benefit of the doubt at first. With the foreigner they are more likely to automatically assume that the foriegner is just using the girl as a short term companion.
There is some truth to this. I don't think many western guys come here with marrying on their minds. I certainly didn't, I ended up getting married though.
I'm not sure how Korean guys think but I don't think they have marriage on their minds when they first meet a korean girl either. I"m sure there are plenty of Korean guys that want to play around before settling on one girl.
Its a double standard and it sucks. |
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indiercj
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 7:06 am Post subject: |
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I think the problem here is that Korean girls are more likely to give the korean guy the benefit of the doubt at first. With the foreigner they are more likely to automatically assume that the foriegner is just using the girl as a short term companion.
There is some truth to this. I don't think many western guys come here with marrying on their minds. I certainly didn't, I ended up getting married though.
I'm not sure how Korean guys think but I don't think they have marriage on their minds when they first meet a korean girl either. I"m sure there are plenty of Korean guys that want to play around before settling on one girl.
Its a double standard and it sucks. |
I don't think it's a double standard. To their eyes, any Korean guy who is staying here for a short period, without a stable job, advocating free sex is a irresponsible human being to be avoided at all costs. I would call it being too cautious, too defensive.
But you really can't blame them for this stance because in this society all the consequences from any short term relationship is burdened to the woman and it's no light. |
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indiercj
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| How can it be all racism when it also happens to Korean males all too many times? |
I assume that you mean families/friends of non-Korean gilrs disapprove of their relationships with Korean guys specifically because of the Korean guy's race. If this is what you mean, then it is also racism.
No. Please read my posts before answering me for Christ's sake.
I am not saying it is not happening to foreigners in Korean. I am saying that any K-girls will tell her friend to call it quit whenever her KOREAN boyfriend seems to have no intention to marry her! How do you call that? |
I did read your post. I thought it was ambiguous. It is not my fault that you have trouble expressing yourself clearly. I wasn't sure what you meant. I ask you to do me the same courtesy and read my posts...for Christ's sake. I did say that I ASSUME you meant a certain thing. I said that IF this is what you mean, then I think the following.
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Ok. My bad. |
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ThisCharmingMan
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
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I've got a question:
Heard about a man who was half asian/half white and he started dating a asian woman back in the states.He eventually wanted to marry her but he was rejected.Why?Something to do with her buying into the whole myth of white blood good and all colored blood bad(she wanted to marry a white guy so her children would have the maximum percentage of white blood).Now, was she racist?If so, to whom?...A side question:if her half asian/white child wanted to have an incestuous affair and make a child, then based on her past affair, should she reject her child axiomatically? |
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