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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't read the whole thread, so all apologies, but I do feel like adding my own experiences to this thread.
While I agree with SR that many non-Koreans don't understand or have limited understanding of the general rules of clubs and socializing in Korea, that has not been my experience with "No Foreigner" places in Korea. (And, despite most people's lack of understanding, most find ways to have fun and not upset too many people anyway.)
My experience has been that the places who have had "No Foreigner" signs, it was usually to having a bad or bad experiences with non-Koreans fighting. It may have been a number of incidents or a single incident but the management decides they cannot deal with it and it is easier to just put up the sign.
-Or- it had to do with the incident of the American military tank that ran over those two girls.
But, again from personal experience, as much as I am intellectually prepared for, "hey we can always go spend our money someplace else," it always stings. It really does leave a bad taste, at least, in my mouth, if not others.
I even remember at one restaurant, after the tank incident, a waiter, somewhat apologetically, explaining that my wife could come in but I could not.
Discrimination, for whatever reason, IMHO, is not right and should not be tolerated.
And, by the way, there have been a number of places, usually in Itaewon, the old Nashville comes to mind, that used to have no Korean signs - though usually accompanied Koreans, often female, seemed to be okay.
Just my personal experience, please take it for whatever it is worth. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Died By Bear wrote: |
SR WAS A PILOT? You learn something new every day.
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ARRGGGHHHH I never said I was a pilot. I said my PARENTS were private pilots and I went flying WITH them virtually every weekend (weather permitting of course).
I tell people that and suddenly they think I've been claiming to fly 767s out of O'Hare. What's worse is that I've corrected BlackCat on this like 2 or 3 times already. |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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I don't go to bars. The only places I have been refused were at two medical clinics this year and a grocery store several years ago. The grocery store doesn't refuse whites, however, since they motioned my co-worker in line behind me to come around me to have his food rang up. Doctors at both clinics explained in a polite manner that they were for Koreans only, but the guy at the grocery store and his mother were just really rude. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
Died By Bear wrote: |
SR WAS A PILOT? You learn something new every day.
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ARRGGGHHHH I never said I was a pilot. I said my PARENTS were private pilots and I went flying WITH them virtually every weekend (weather permitting of course).
I tell people that and suddenly they think I've been claiming to fly 767s out of O'Hare. What's worse is that I've corrected BlackCat on this like 2 or 3 times already. |
But, you did make a claim that because your parents possess private pilot ratings, that makes you more qualified to give opinions on matters involving aviation.
So, if someone actually possesses a pilot license, that trumps you in aviation matters.
And, if someone possesses a captains license from a national marine authority, that trumps you in nautical matters.
I have both.
If anyone wants a laugh, search SR + pilot. There are about 50 threads in which SR proclaims his aviation expertise. |
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wanderkind
Joined: 01 Jan 2012 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
Unfortunately, these situations don't always get explained. A foreigner might (rightfully) feel that they are being denied service because of their race. The bouncer is just being too lazy and impatient to give the explanation the person deserves. ... |
Laziness regarding (often just perceived) hassle pops up outside of bars as well. I've been repeatedly told at cell phone stores in my neighborhood that they couldn't top up my phone credit at that location. However, I had done it there repeatedly in the past (and have since). Some attendants just don't want to be bothered dealing with a foreigner (even though putting 10,000 on a phone is maybe the most simple transaction possible). Often if you argue it in Korean they'll reneg, but once in a while they stick to their guns and it's...incredibly frustrating.
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....a grocery store several years ago. The grocery store doesn't refuse whites, however, since they motioned my co-worker in line behind me to come around me to have his food rang up. ....the guy at the grocery store and his mother were just really rude. |
A grocery store?! That's...denying the purchase of basic amenities...that's awful.
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Died By Bear

Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
Died By Bear wrote: |
SR WAS A PILOT? You learn something new every day.
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ARRGGGHHHH I never said I was a pilot. I said my PARENTS were private pilots and I went flying WITH them virtually every weekend (weather permitting of course).
I tell people that and suddenly they think I've been claiming to fly 767s out of O'Hare. What's worse is that I've corrected BlackCat on this like 2 or 3 times already. |
The small devil icon was supposed to convey that I was pushing your button, but you didn't get it.
So as a pilot, would you agree that the mystery of flight 370 is peculiar in nature, or from a more technical standpoint, what exactly could the Malaysian government done better? |
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Mr. BlackCat

Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Unposter wrote: |
And, by the way, there have been a number of places, usually in Itaewon, the old Nashville comes to mind, that used to have no Korean signs - though usually accompanied Koreans, often female, seemed to be okay.
Just my personal experience, please take it for whatever it is worth. |
When was this? I used to frequent Nashvilles quite a bit back in the day (2005-2007) and don't remember ever seeing a sign like that. I played pool and darts with many Korean guys and went there with large groups of Korean friends on multiple occasions. Especially the rooftop, I always remember it being mixed (though Itaewon was much more foreigner dominated back then). Back in 2005 it was rare to see groups of Koreans without foreigners in any bar or restaurant in Itaewon. But I don't remember seeing any signs like that anywhere and I'm not sure it would have been tolerated by local authorities like the No Foreigner signs seem to be. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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wanderkind wrote: |
Steelrails wrote: |
Unfortunately, these situations don't always get explained. A foreigner might (rightfully) feel that they are being denied service because of their race. The bouncer is just being too lazy and impatient to give the explanation the person deserves. ... |
Laziness regarding (often just perceived) hassle pops up outside of bars as well. I've been repeatedly told at cell phone stores in my neighborhood that they couldn't top up my phone credit at that location. However, I had done it there repeatedly in the past (and have since). Some attendants just don't want to be bothered dealing with a foreigner (even though putting 10,000 on a phone is maybe the most simple transaction possible). Often if you argue it in Korean they'll reneg, but once in a while they stick to their guns and it's...incredibly frustrating.
EZE wrote: |
....a grocery store several years ago. The grocery store doesn't refuse whites, however, since they motioned my co-worker in line behind me to come around me to have his food rang up. ....the guy at the grocery store and his mother were just really rude. |
A grocery store?! That's...denying the purchase of basic amenities...that awful. |
Years ago, before they had number dispensing machines, I was waiting in line at a NH bank, as I had a NH bank account.
A female guard grasped my shirtsleeve, and said "No exchange, nagaja".
I was contemplating inserting my fingers into her shirt pocket and tearing off the pocket.
I'm glad I didn't do it. A manager approached me and invited me to the company cafeteria where we had bibimbap for lunch. |
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Mr. BlackCat

Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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SR is now saying he never claimed to be a pilot in much the same way he backtracked from the racism claim once people pointed out he's claimed to be ethnically Korean in the past. Like I said, whatever works at the particular time. People can look up the threads if they want to get a better understanding. TBH, I don't know if SR claimed to be a licensed pilot, but he did claim many times to be an authority on piloting and airliners. Just like he claimed to suddenly be an expert on maritime navigation about a month ago.
And if you agree with George W Bush about the UN being ineffectual then maybe you don't support all his decisions. But if you support his lying to Congress about WMDs in order to start a war in Iraq for oil profits while defunding the military and bankrupting the country, yes I think it's safe to say you support him.
If you say that you wouldn't expect the captain to be sailing the ship the entire time on a 36 hour trip, I don't think you're defending his actions. But if you repeatedly, over multiple threads, defend his decisions to order the children to stay in their rooms while he got himself off the ship by lying to rescue boats, and then lying about what happened while he dried out his money on his hospital bed? Yeah, I think it's safe to say you're defending the indefensible and you should be ashamed of yourself. But shame isn't part of a narcissist's vocabulary.
Does SR really align himself with the Sewol captain? I don't know. The point is he will make any topic here about him and only him. He repeatedly tells people that they've misinterpreted situations he knows nothing about. As stated, he makes grand claims of expertise and experience for whatever the particular situation calls for. He will insist that his interpretation of a subjective article or event is factually, scientifically accurate while you are incredibly biased. Eventually he will call you racist if you stick with it long enough, and to him that should end the conversation because he is a god and declared your views irrelevant. The basic fact of any thought process by SR is:
Korean = GOOD!
Foreigner = BAD!
That's all you really need to know about his "arguments".
I'm trying not to direct this at the person in question in order to avoid him derailing another thread. I'm just getting the truth about him out there. Don't take anything he says on here seriously. He's an elaborate troll. A troll who has successfully shut down half the conversations on this site over the last few years. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Black Cat, were you by any chance a journeyman carpenter? Your above post certainly hits the nail on the head. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012 Location: México
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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May I pile on in the unlikely hope that it will encourage SR to stop his ludicrous spamming? Mmk. To be consistently called out and proven as ethnically biased, and yet still continue on for years, unable to accept what are fairly obvious truths, is sheer lunacy. Enough, please, my gawd. It's like the fucking twilight zone. Popular opinion isn't always correct but when you're always the odd one out, it's on you to figure out why, not continue to do the same thing over and over. I support atwood's shadow tactic, as nothing else seems to work.
There are much crazier sounding freaks on here, though. Like the guava guy. Dude sounds like he'd try to stab you with a pen if you interrupted his game of call of duty. |
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cam83
Joined: 27 Jan 2013 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Fvck... where did this come from? Don't be like this... I'm all for calling out on BS but I don't recall SR claiming to be an authority on anything in this thread, so I don't think he deserves that response (at least not here, as I know the same points have been made in threads concerning SR and aviation/Sewol etc).
I understand you want others to become aware of his 'tactics' but that was brutal. All I can think is that he must've really p!ssed off some folk on here.
Y'all be reminding me of those situations where you’re like “I need to stop hating this particular person it’s not going to get me anywhere I’m just going to grow up and move on with my life” but then they do the tiniest thing to p!ss you off and then you’re like “nope fvck you right off I want to throw you off a bridge”.
Damn... we were so close to getting back on topic too haha! |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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SR is now saying he never claimed to be a pilot in much the same way he backtracked from the racism claim once people pointed out he's claimed to be ethnically Korean in the past. |
BlackCat, there's no backtracking. I never claimed to be a pilot. Find the post where I said that. I loved how me flying with my family in their light plane has at some point turned into my being a licensed pilot flying around in the family corporate jet.
And yes, I did slip up and claim "racism" (and heck, who knows, they might have thought I was Chinese) when I should have said "xenophobia". You got me. Congratulations. Mixing up racism and xenophobia makes me the biggest liar on the plane and worse than Hitler.
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If you say that you wouldn't expect the captain to be sailing the ship the entire time on a 36 hour trip, I don't think you're defending his actions. But if you repeatedly, over multiple threads, defend his decisions to order the children to stay in their rooms while he got himself off the ship by lying to rescue boats, and then lying about what happened while he dried out his money on his hospital bed? Yeah, I think it's safe to say you're defending the indefensible and you should be ashamed of yourself. But shame isn't part of a narcissist's vocabulary.
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ARGGHHHH Why can't you comprehend this???? Saying "ordering people on deck of a listing ship within the first four minutes of an incident, while stabilization procedures, carries risks as well and is not such a clear cut decision" is NOT at all analogous to what you wrote. Multiple times I said that if the captain had done that, and the ship had stabilized but 20 people slipped off and drowned, people would call for his head. I also said that if that happened he shouldn't be condemned for that choice as well as this is a situation with INCOMPLETE INFORMATION and no way to predict the outcome with 100% success. I condemned his negligence beforehand. I condemned his cowardly evacuation and even raised the question of a firing squad.
If you can't grasp the nuance involved in what I raised then I don't know what to say.
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And if you agree with George W Bush about the UN being ineffectual then maybe you don't support all his decisions. But if you support his lying to Congress about WMDs in order to start a war in Iraq for oil profits while defunding the military and bankrupting the country, yes I think it's safe to say you support him. |
I think the better analogy might be supporting Bush on The Surge while still thinking the invasion was wrong and believing that the US should exit as swiftly as possible, in contradiction to Bush's policies. Sadly, it seems when it comes to the issues, whether its the Sewol issue or the Iraq War, some people can't discuss things without trying to vilify you in some way.
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he makes grand claims of expertise and experience for whatever the particular situation calls for. He will insist that his interpretation of a subjective article or event is factually, scientifically accurate while you are incredibly biased. |
What grand claims? I mocked my own nautical experience as being confined to rowboats and yachting. As for flying, the fact is that I have had a tremendous amount of experience dealing with planes, having spent my childhood constantly around them and other pilots.
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To be consistently called out and proven as ethnically biased |
As opposed to the pillars of ethnic objectivity that some others are?
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The small devil icon was supposed to convey that I was pushing your button, but you didn't get it.
So as a pilot, would you agree that the mystery of flight 370 is peculiar in nature, or from a more technical standpoint, what exactly could the Malaysian government done better? |
I tried to hedge against the joke possibility by talking about BlackCat. But I wasn't sure. All in good fun though!
Well as a pilot, clearly we have to first acknowledge that Malaysian culture was clearly to blame here. The fact that the passengers didn't rise up and rebel ala United 93 is clearly a result of them being largely Chinese and having Confucian traditions. If it turns out that the pilot had a mechanical problem and tried to ditch in the sea, he should have instead tried to find the nearest airport. If the plane crashed as he tried to find the nearest airport, clearly he should have ditched into the sea. Also, at the first hint of turbulence or a warning light he should have had everyone wearing oxygen masks and in the crash position. Regardless, it was culture- him being a Malaysian man, that caused this.
Sounds like the most logical explanation to me. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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cam83 wrote: |
Y'all be reminding me of those situations where you’re like “I need to stop hating this particular person it’s not going to get me anywhere I’m just going to grow up and move on with my life” but then they do the tiniest thing to p!ss you off and then you’re like “nope fvck you right off I want to throw you off a bridge”. |
hahaha
Totally been there. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 12:01 am Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
ARGGHHHH
If you can't grasp the nuance involved in what I raised then I don't know what to say.
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So, now you are claiming to be a PIRATE...ARGGHHHH
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As for flying, the fact is that I have had a tremendous amount of experience...
Well as a pilot, clearly we have to first acknowledge that Malaysian culture was clearly to blame here.
Sounds like the most logical explanation to me. |
So, now you are claiming to be a pirate, and a pilot... |
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