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Handsome Boy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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 Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:02 am Post subject: Chop Off! |
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 Why don't they chop off their heads! and do us all a favour. With love from Oman. |
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jungeun
Joined: 10 Mar 2005
Location: US
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:23 am Post subject: |
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debee wrote;
Since the Koreans were on-side as it were, the message must have been intended for the Japanese. As such I can't see a more unproductive way of dealing with the dispute. In this case it just makes the protesters seem crazy, and I think it lessens the ability of outsiders to actually take their cause seriously. This isn't bringing attention to the dokdo situation, I think it's deflecting attention from it, and on to the extremes that the Koreans will go to in order to demonstrate their point.
Korean people need Dr. Phil on this:
"How is that working for you?"
Many wasted fingers. I know the protesters meant it well but need to find ways that work. |
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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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jungeun wrote:
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Korean people need Dr. Phil on this:
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... agreed, I think the situation has gotten so bad, that only Dr. Phil can save it now !!!
I for one would like to start a petition to see if maybe we can get Dr. Phil to come over to Korea and put these people back into their 'comfort zone'.
Does anybody second the motion ??? |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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Whiners do nothing but complain, complain, complain... while doing nothing else.
Protesters take action and do something, even if you don't believe it amounts to enough.
I have always respected protesters. I have trouble standing whiners. |
OK, I understand you so far. My biggest mistake was in judging these protesters by the standards that you set for others. Now here are two scenarios for you to consider.
Scenario 1: After months of fruitless negotiation with her boss, an expat finally throws in the towel, packs up and does a runner. She then posts on Dave's explaining (as objectively as possible) precisely why this particular hagwon is corrupt, and precisely why it should be avoided. Misogyny is part of the issue. The ex-teacher then eloquently advocates Western-style sexual equality in her argument, and states that Korea should learn to catch up. Would you respect her actions?
Scenario 2: Two foreign teachers are killed in a traffic accident, due to the recklessness of at least one driver (pick any vehicle). Dozens of expats protest in public, rallying for enforcement of traffic laws. Some bilingual teachers carry slogans that say things to the effect of "Catch up with the rest of the world" in Korean. Teachers carrying these slogans are assaulted by a couple of sensitive Korean passers-by, and one teacher who defends himself is thrown into prison - an action which only has the effect of heating up the following protest. Several protesting teachers are fired for "losing face" for their hagwons; subsequently the hagwons in question are mercilessly eviscerated on countless message boards. Would you respect the actions of these teachers? |
VanIslander, just how strongly and unconditionally do you advocate the principle of passionate protest? |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| Cutting off fingers and setting oneself on fire...... will that help Korea get the territory they want? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Barking Mad Lord Snapcase wrote: |
VanIslander, just how strongly and unconditionally do you advocate the principle of passionate protest? |
This is neither the time nor place for me to discuss my political philosophy with someone in search of an argument but suffice it to say that legitimate protest isn't about hurting others except where their own rights of free expression and assembly trump (picketing on a public sidewalk).
To insinuate that there's no obvious general difference between protestors and terrorists is inane. Where one draws the line is beside the point of this thread.
Acts of protest which involve self-immolation, like the ones recently committed by a few Koreans concerning claims over territory, are clearly about one's right to one's own body.
No need to go a fishing for issues of legitimacy just because you don't like protesting in general, or those acts of protest in particular. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| This is neither the time nor place for me to discuss my political philosophy with someone in search of an argument |
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| What do you believe in strong enough to cut a finger off for? Probably nothing, given your reaction. |
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