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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| I wonder if the Nowhereman is going to toss some evidence into the ring in order to substantiate the position he was taking. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder if the Nowhereman is going to toss some evidence into the ring in order to substantiate the position he was taking. |
A sign of boredom on a Tuesday night : some guy trying to resurrect a lost argument from 2 months ago asking for evidence he never was able to provide himself. A source of chuckles.
Really. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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A sign of boredom on a Tuesday night : some guy trying to resurrect a lost argument from 2 months ago asking for evidence he never was able to provide himself. A source of chuckles.
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Only evidence was never produced by those claiming this girl was the victim of a clusterbomb at any stage. Amazingly the "she was hit by a clusterbomb" team still have the audacity to ask for evidence which disproves their claims! Despite the absurdity of that people around here still took time to post evidence which contradicts that postition. That you have failed retort in kind and post any evidence suggesting she was hit by a clusterbomb (other than from a site which makes all sorts of dodgy assertions) is a black mark against you. When you have the evidence let us see it. Until then, I don't want to go around this roundabout ten more times. Chuckles indeed.
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Only evidence was never produced by those claiming this girl was the victim of a landmine at any stage. Amazingly the "she was hit by a landmine" team still have the audacity to ask for evidence which disproves their claims! Despite the absurdity of that people around here still took time to post evidence which contradicts that postition. |
The evidence posted is what is here to be found. Reliable authorites have asserted it's veracity. No one has refuted it.
Except to question the motives of those who provided it.
Which is an old and very sad tactic of exactly the people who are doing just what they are doing : using the basest of rhetorical means to denigrate the pain and suffering of people of people who are different than you and I simply for that reason and none other.
It's an ugly thing I see here. A young girl was hurt very much, and rather than look at that with the truth that is to be found in what has happened, there are some people here who do not even wish to claim she was an anamaly, but rather that it never happened, not the way that evidence has shown it to have, buy rather that if it happened it was some other way.
And why should not the motives of Gwangjuboy and Gord and et al be questioned? Why do they think they have the power to question motives of others but not have their own motives be questioned?
Ah, the internet is a wonderful thing. Say anything you like, and life goes on as normal the next day, but meanwhile your online "persona" gains more "power," just like some character you created in those old Dundgeon and Dragons games you used to play back in the dorms in college ... Honestly, I don't know what to expect next from you and your "ilk," GB - are you gonna come around and say that the "darkies" down in Louisiana are gonna claim more than their share of relief money by playing the race card and allowing themselves to be pawns of some (EVIL "liberal") political agenda?
That's what I'm waiting to see, and it might already be out there, somewhere on the 'net, but maybe I haven't gotten around to clicking on it yet. When I see it, though, I will think of you.
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| the "she was hit by a landmine" team |
This was never about land mines. My recollection is that she was hit by a cluster bomb. The other side in this debate went to a lot of trouble to explain what they believed a cluster bomb would do, even though they had never experienced or even witnessed one - but now you talk about land mines.
Why?
History Lesson : The girl experienced her crippling injuries during the US invasion, which is why some courts have said that the Conventions don't apply because she had not yet warranted the status that goes to a civilian under "occupation." Therefore, she was not hit by a "land mine." Clue : The US had not been there long enough to plant one, and whatever you will wish to think of me and the others posting here, no one has suggested that the US put land mines in her neighbeorhood.
And even though the TV show South Park has taught us that Saddam died and became Lucifer's bitch in Hell, we all know that it didn't happen and we know that even a sadistic piece of crap like that would not plant land mines in a residential area.... or maybe WE know it but you do not, and if so I resent you for holding such evidence to your private self when the rest of us would like to know it.
So, where do you get off putting quotes around a phrase like the "she was hit by a landmine" team?
Who said those words? If no one said it, then you are a liar.
Just curious. Do you get a hard little thing between your legs, GB, when you go online and tell lies about people of another faith who suffered more pain than you will ever likely feel at any moment of your life? Do you pant and get sweaty about the forehead? Is it a big ol thrill for you, better than any other? I'm being charitable, because I can't think of another good reason you would post such a falsehood. I simply can't think of another good reason to say what you said unless it were connected to some wierd sexual fetishism you have going on.
If so, I might start to understand it. Urges like that, I'm told, are hard for the average human to hold back from - but, well, average and normal people don't perpetrate such lies about crippled girls as you did just here, nor do they ask others to disregard the history of anti-Islam statements you have made, here, so often and so strenuous - most people who had access to that would make the correct judgement about you ... and those of us who have seen your views know what you are all about.
Sit back for a minute, dude, and think very carefully about who you are. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| The evidence posted is what is here to be found. Reliable authorites have asserted it's veracity. No one has refuted it. |
who ?
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Except to question the motives of those who provided it |
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who provided the evidence? |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| The evidence posted is what is here to be found. Reliable authorites have asserted it's veracity. No one has refuted it. |
Where is it? Just because you say it is there doesn't mean it is magiaclly going to become true.
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| Except to question the motives of those who provided it. |
Nobody provided it, and when called upon to provide a link to the evidence noone coughed up the necessary goods.
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| Which is an old and very sad tactic of exactly the people who are doing just what they are doing : using the basest of rhetorical means to denigrate the pain and suffering of people of people who are different than you and I simply for that reason and none other. |
Noone is denigrating the girl's pain and suffering. There is a very large dichotomy between denegrating her pain, and questioning how she was injured. Your attempts to blur that distinction are crude.
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| It's an ugly thing I see here. A young girl was hurt very much, and rather than look at that with the truth that is to be found in what has happened, there are some people here who do not even wish to claim she was an anamaly, but rather that it never happened, not the way that evidence has shown it to have, buy rather that if it happened it was some other way. |
Who is claiming it never happened? Nobody is suggesting that she wasn't hurt, but rather calling for evidence that she was hurt by a clusterbomb as people claimed. Even now, that evidence hasn't been offered by any of the "she was injured by a clusterbomb team.
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| And why should not the motives of Gwangjuboy and Gord and et al be questioned? Why do they think they have the power to question motives of others but not have their own motives be questioned? |
Most of the questioning has centered on the lack of evidence offered by those arguing the girl was hit by a clusterbomb.
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| Honestly, I don't know what to expect next from you and your "ilk," GB - are you gonna come around and say that the "darkies" down in Louisiana are gonna claim more than their share of relief money by playing the race card and allowing themselves to be pawns of some (EVIL "liberal") political agenda? |
Why don't you take this tangent to the maths forum?
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| This was never about land mines. My recollection is that she was hit by a cluster bomb. The other side in this debate went to a lot of trouble to explain what they believed a cluster bomb would do, even though they had never experienced or even witnessed one - but now you talk about land mines. |
No it wasn't and I made an innocent mistake when typing. It's an easy mistake to make considering that most of my posts are banged out in next to no time.
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| Who said those words? If no one said it, then you are a liar. |
I think it was pretty evident that it was an innocent mistake thus relegating your "liar" label to a level of mediocrity. A quick look at my previous posts in this thread might have given you a clue. It is a very easy mistake to make. You are thankful because it has provided you with the distractor you were begging for. You will cling to anything in this thread which steers attention away from the lack of evidence substantiating your claims.
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| Just curious. Do you get a hard little thing between your legs, GB, when you go online and tell lies about people of another faith who suffered more pain than you will ever likely feel at any moment of your life? Do you pant and get sweaty about the forehead? Is it a big ol thrill for you, better than any other? I'm being charitable, because I can't think of another good reason you would post such a falsehood. I simply can't think of another good reason to say what you said unless it were connected to some wierd sexual fetishism you have going on. |
You have gone nuts.
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| If so, I might start to understand it. Urges like that, I'm told, are hard for the average human to hold back from - but, well, average and normal people don't perpetrate such lies about crippled girls as you did just here, |
Until the necessary evidence is produced which shows the girl was injured by a clusterbomb the only lies on this thread are being offered by you and the team. In stark contrast to my error when typing the word "landmine" your attempts to misrepresent are prolonged and deliberate. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| Who said those words? If no one said it, then you are a liar. |
I think it was pretty evident that it was an innocent mistake thus relegating your "liar" label to a level of mediocrity. A quick look at my previous posts in this thread might have given you a clue. It is a very easy mistake to make. You are thankful because it has provided you with the distractor you were begging for. You will cling to anything in this thread which steers attention away from the lack of evidence substantiating your claims. |
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| No it wasn't and I made an innocent mistake when typing. It's an easy mistake to make considering that most of my posts are banged out in next to no time. |
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Um. Sounds like a very lame sort of apology for not taking a moment to check your facts before you click the "submit" button.
You have tried to make yourself famous around here for knowing more than others do about facts of history. You now talk about the discrepancy between cluster bombs and land mines, and call it an innocent mistake ... myself, I'm wondering how much of the rest of what you say, evereywhere, and on whatever topic, that you will later calll "mistaken," ought we take the trouble to believe, even for a moment?
There were no landmines involved in this story. Cluster bombs are quite a different animal. You have pulled a discussion up from quite a while ago, and result? You have made yourself look the ignorant fool you are, but which you pretend not to be - if I cared about you, I would be sad for you, because you have just now destoyed any shred of cred you mightg have had before this .. and I'm happy I never pretended to be an expert on anything, now that I think of it.
In the end, thoough, I don't care about you, so I am not sad.
"Have a good day," is what I say to any random stranger I don't care 2 figs about. It's the best I can come up with now.
It happens to be accurate. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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" She was hit by a clusterbomb team."
Ok now that is settled what about the sources? |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Um. Sounds like a very lame sort of apology for not taking a moment to check your facts before you click the "submit" button. |
I reiterate, it's a very simple mistake to make. Although I find it ironic that you suggest I check my facts before clicking the submit button, when you once lied about the content of some Soviet files that were unsealed after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Was that lame, or just an outright lie then?
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| You have tried to make yourself famous around here for knowing more than others do about facts of history. |
Why do you say this? Is it because everytime we talked about North Korea you got burnt when trying to debate the topic with me? Usually, I respect people who know more than me about a certian topic. It's a reflection on your character that you can't extend the same courtesy.
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| You now talk about the discrepancy between cluster bombs and land mines, and call it an innocent mistake ... myself, I'm wondering how much of the rest of what you say, evereywhere, and on whatever topic, that you will later calll "mistaken," ought we take the trouble to believe, even for a moment? |
Where does the "we" come from? My reputation on this board remains unscathed. I find it amusing that you have done exactly what I suggested you would and used this small mistake as a distractor because no evidence is forthcoming that would substantiate your earlier claims.
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| There were no landmines involved in this story. Cluster bombs are quite a different animal. |
Talk about milking it. I will have to get into clairvoyance.
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| In the end, thoough, I don't care about you, so I am not sad. |
And what on earth makes you think I care about you and your smearing tactics?
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| "Have a good day," is what I say to any random stranger I don't care 2 figs about. It's the best I can come up with now. |
Rock on amateur!
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| It happens to be accurate. |
I really don't care what you say here. Fight this on an intellectual level, and produce evidence that this girl was hit by a clusterbomb. Until you do, your attempts to smear, and distract the audience from the crux of this debate will be a blackmark against your name. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 2:44 am Post subject: |
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Iraq was a bad idea.
I really did understand and agree with the arguments (but not the WMD part) for the war, as put forward by some intellectuals (VDH, and others) but I think we can all certainly agree that bombing for democracy is in fact like F**king for virginity. Going to war in Iraq was a big, BIG mistake.
I was wrong about the war. Who else is gonna join me in admitting this? |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I was wrong about the war. Who else is gonna join me in admitting this? |
I was on the fence about the war until the first minute the bombs started flying - I was wrong not to have opposed it earlier, and more strenuously, in the months leading up to the invasion when it was clear that no compromises were going to be entertained by Washington in any form. Since the Downing Street Memos, and some other docukments as well, we have seen that it was the administration's clear intent to invade no matter what long before that.
Gwangjuboy
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| And what on earth makes you think I care about you and your smearing tactics? [...]Fight this on an intellectual level, and produce evidence that this girl was hit by a clusterbomb. |
The record of this thread induces humor in the context of these remarks. Your side, GB, has done nothing else but question (and smear) the motives of doctors who worked for free to save the leg of a girl who was clearly hit by American munitions - much speculation has been made that Iraqis firing guns in the air were responsible, as if a shrapnel wound were not clearly distinguishable from a gunshot wound - and attempts have been made repeatedly to discredit the truth of this incident based on an opposing political agenda ...
Yet you will not admit that those very attempts to discredit are also motivated by a political agenda. And you use the words "smearing tactics" ... hm.
Whether your previous post about landmines was a "simple mistake" or part of an attempt to obfuscate and confuse, it will be hard to treat you credibly. Especially when you accuse others of harboring agendas and work so consistently toward your own. |
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Gord
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| ...a girl who was clearly hit by American munitions. |
There is no evidence that this is true. Further, the people who are making this claim have a track record that suggests one should not take their unsupported claims at face value.
If such evidence has since been brought forth, perhaps you could show it to us and thus end the discussion. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| If such evidence has since been brought forth, perhaps you could show it to us and thus end the discussion. |
Oh he won't do that. He has been asked a thousand times to produce a link which substantiates his claims, but rather than opting to end the argument he has dragged it into a mire of insults, and distractions.
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| Further, the people who are making this claim have a track record that suggests one should not take their unsupported claims at face value. |
Absolutely. The Bobster is a leading member of the "you don't need links, just take my word for it!" team. I have caught him with his hand in the packet of fig rolls on several occasions. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Your side, GB, has done nothing else but question (and smear) the motives of doctors who worked for free to save the leg of a girl who was clearly hit by American munitions - much speculation has been made that Iraqis firing guns in the air were responsible, as if a shrapnel wound were not clearly distinguishable from a gunshot wound - and attempts have been made repeatedly to discredit the truth of this incident based on an opposing political agenda ... |
Any proof?
Anyway Riverbend (while she isn't the source of information here ) is pro - bathist. Her business is disinformation and propaganda. Of course she is loved by the moonbats. It would not be a bad event were she hit with shrapnel. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| [... Your side, GB, has done nothing else but question (and smear) the motives of doctors who worked for free to save the leg of a girl who was clearly hit by American munitions - .... |
These "doctors" were later revealed to be nutballs who made claims on the order of that America invaded Third World countries in order to put McDonald's there or some such nonsense. Given such claims and the lack of any such evidence to back them up, it would be surprising if their motives were not questioned.
What's even sadder is that these same people then turn around and use this young girl in a transparent effort to attack the U.S.
You talk about sides yet your side has provided no evidence. You claim evidence but fail to produce anything that hasn't been throughly debunked. |
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