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Mills
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
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| shortskirt_longjacket wrote: |
P,
"No one expects the Spanish Inquisition" is an old Monty Python routine.
Your argument that Christians would never react in this way today reminded me of the routine.
Obviously, the joke wasn't very funny. |
No, it was funny.
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| shortskirt_longjacket wrote: |
P,
"No one expects the Spanish Inquisition" is an old Monty Python routine.
Your argument that Christians would never react in this way today reminded me of the routine.
Obviously, the joke wasn't very funny. |
I got it, but I thought there was a morsel of seriousness in your post. Yet, I think the fact that no one made that joke yet would have let you know that it probably wasn't going to be funny...   |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Except for the fact that it was. |
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Pligganease
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Except for the fact that it was. |
Really? I didn't think so. Wouldn't that make it, "Except for my opinion that it was."
Honestly, do you not think that every single person that read that didn't think about that skit? Yet, it took three pages of posts for someone to make that joke. I think that's your answer right there. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm just going by the facts boyo- right now it's a fact that 3:1 is the ratio of funny to unfunny. Feel free to start a poll on it though. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:10 am Post subject: |
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All of these discussions have failed to answer one question I can see. Would all respondents answer this question, please.
If we ignore all of the actions carried out by the supporters of the two original people in question and rely solely on the current information available to us in their books, utilising the books attributed solely to them and not relying on books written by those who had known they were dead and improving on their writings (I know that I have missed a point that will be called on, but I am not doing my PHD just yet).
Which comes across as more peaceful in attitude? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| If we ignore all of the actions carried out by the supporters of the two original people in question and rely solely on the current information available to us in their books, utilising the books attributed solely to them |
There are no books attributed to Jesus.
Now, if you're talking about the New Testament, and you recognize that most Christians regard Christ as God, then I'd say he's a pretty vicious character indeed. In the Book Of Revelation, it is stated that God will send people into a lake of fire for all eternity for no greater crime than having a particular number written on their forehead.
Not to mention all the horrible stuff that God has done to people in the Old Testament.
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Summer Wine
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:23 am Post subject: |
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There are no books attributed to Jesus.
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Ok, about Jesus life and actions in particular, attribute was a bad word, but I was lacking a similar one at the time. Not talking about Christianity per se. Don't worry I am sure someone else will be on line to target this
Oh, by the way did you even try to answer the question. 
Ok, post edit you did. Thanks.
Ok, now lets discuss what we know of Jesus Christ and what he was supposed to have stated and compare that to what we know of Muhammed and what he is supposed to have stated and ignore the rest of what you said.
This is because for all of the non supporters (post edited stament) online, both individuals God is supposed to be the same. I was curious about the difference in their supposed statements. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| Ok, about Jesus life and actions in particular, |
Jesus the historical figure seems to have been an all around peace-loving guy. But it's important to remember, as I state above, that all trintarian Christians regard Jesus and God as the same entity.
So, throughout most of history, Christians have been walking around believing that Jesus is the same guy who sent the angel of death to massacre the first born children, annihilated Sodom and Gomorrah, because he didn't like the sexual practices of its inhabitants, etc etc. And the record shows that Christians were not hesitant about following God/Jesus's lead in this regard. The question then becomes why Christians today prefer to follow the example of Jesus the peace-loving hippy, instead of Jehovah the Old Testament proto-fascist. |
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Summer Wine
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:35 am Post subject: |
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In the Book Of Revelation, it is stated that God will send people into a lake of fire for all eternity for no greater crime than having a particular number written on their forehead.
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(The above quote was taken from an edited post, it was posted before the editing and not made up by myself, thus I have responded to that post. I am not making trouble).
Personally, i am not sure most people understand exactly this point in regards to the number. Though I think that most people wouldn't feel too bad about those who branded a number on a mans skin and then throwing them alive into a furnace when they weren't needed as being innocent. (Nazi Followers).
As the future as is written in this book hasn't happened, we really can't say exactly what these people will do that may deserve such punishment. Though if we take an example from past history, I am sure I could think of a few things that may warrant such action.
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On the other hand
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| Ok, now lets discuss what we know of Jesus Christ and what he was supposed to have stated and compare that to what we know of Muhammed |
If you're talking about Jesus the historcial figure(allowing for the fact that most of what we know about him is based on a document not generally considered historical), then yes, Jesus was the more peaceful guy. But I don't think this accounts for Christianity today being the more peaceful religion.
It would be like saying that Catholics drink more than Muslims because Christ was a drinker, ignoring the fact that some Christians(Mormons for eg) don't drink at all.
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Summer Wine
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If you're talking about Jesus the historcial figure(allowing for the fact that most of what we know about him is based on a document not generally considered historical), then yes, Jesus was the more peaceful guy. But I don't think this accounts for Christianity today being the more peaceful religion.
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Though if we accept that a servant should follow their masters example, then a person who tends to follow the fundamental beliefs of a peaceful man or a violent man will be shown by his actions or the primary fundamental beliefs of the master. 
(considering the number of post edits in writing, that I have seen, we may have been better served having this discussion in person as a number of my statements may not make the best sense post edit).
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On the other hand
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If you're talking about Jesus the historcial figure(allowing for the fact that most of what we know about him is based on a document not generally considered historical), then yes, Jesus was the more peaceful guy. But I don't think this accounts for Christianity today being the more peaceful religion.
Though if we accept that a servant should follow their masters example, then a person who tends to follow the fundamental beliefs of a peaceful man or a violent man will be shown by his actions or the primary fundamental beliefs of the master. |
Yes, but again, you're overlooking the fact that, for most Christians, Jesus and the god of the Old Testament are, for all intents and purposes, the same guy.
Let's say I told you I worhip Gandhi. That might make you think I'm a peaceful guy. However, what if I also told you that I believed Gandhi and Attilla The Hun to be the same person? That might put my worship of Gandhi in a somewhat diffwerent light. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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What if I said Santa and the Boogeyman are the same person. Would that tend to paint Santa in a negative light. 
Give it up, people. Jeeeeeezzzzz!!! (No blasphemy intended, I'm sure!!)
(BTW, the tooth fairy is who we need to be talking about)... |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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Let's say I told you I worhip Gandhi. That might make you think I'm a peaceful guy. However, what if I also told you that I believed Gandhi and Attilla The Hun to be the same person? That might put my worship of Gandhi in a somewhat diffwerent light.
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Good point!
Though lets consider this, lets say I was to have lived through WW2 and survived solely because I was rescued by an American soldier and wrote that I was glad about the US military.
Another person wrote that they lived through the 1991 Iraq War and hated the American soldier and its military.
If the circumstances were different for the action carried out, should I assume that the American soldier is wrong and that people that support the US soldier must be (missing the way I want to express myself and it is now too late to continue this discussion). I will sleep on it and edit it tomorrow, when I can express myself better.
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