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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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 Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:45 am Post subject: Re: The Unraveling of the Authorized 9/11 Conspiracy Theory |
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| Meegook wrote: |
It should be obvious to all but the 15 % of the mentally challenged/ill among us that the 9/11 Official Authorized 9/11 Conspiracy Theory was a fraud and a hoax. If you're still among the 15% or so who cling to the Official Conspiracy Theory that "19 Arabs with boxcutters" [seems so ridiculous now doesn't it?] planned and executed 9/11, there are plenty of sources of information available to assist you, if you're capable of changing your mind, to change your mind.
Changing minds is not the subject of this proposed thread.
The purpose of this thread is to document the unraveling of the Authorized Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory.
And indeed, the unraveling has begun.
A recent New York Times/CBS scientific survey found that around 85% of Americans believe that the US government was some how some way involved in 9/11.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/141006poll.htm
Recently the Iranian president went public suggesting that 9/11 needed inside intel to be carried out.
""September eleven was not a simple operation."
"Could it be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and security services � or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated guess."
"Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their responsibilities? And, why aren�t those responsible and the guilty parties identified and put on trial? All governments have a duty to provide security and peace of mind for their citizens."
The The Supreme Commander of Iran�s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps accused the Bush Administration and the Israeli security service Mossad of ordering the September 11, 2001 attacks in New York and Washington, DC.
"�The events of September 11 were ordered by U.S. [officials] and Mossad so that they could carry out their strategy of pre-emption and warmongering and unipolarisation in order to dominate the Middle East�, Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi told military commanders on Tuesday. His comments were reported by the state-run news agency ISNA."
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=8512
Hugo Chavez has come out and said publically as much.
Chavez: 9/11 might have been inside job
Speaking after the fifth anniversary of the Islamist terrorist attacks on the United States, the Venezuelan leader says the US government might have planned the 9/11 attacks.
Chavez says that a TV report that the Bush administration blew up New York�s World Trade Center is "plausible."
"The hypothesis is not absurd ... that those towers could have been dynamited," Chavez said in a speech to supporters. "A building never collapses like that, unless it�s with an implosion."
http://cubazuela.blogspot.com/2006/09/chavez-911-might-have-been-inside-job.html
Years ago, the head of the Pakistanian Intelligence agency publically stated 9/11 was an "inside job."
A recent Dutch news piece as come out stating that 9/11 was an inside job.
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/301006_b_Dutch.htm
Paul Craig Roberts, PhD � Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan. "Father of Reaganomics." Former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. Currently Chairman of the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute.
* Essay: "We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to 'pancake' at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false." http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/...
Morgan Reynolds, PhD � Chief Economist, Department of Labor under George W. Bush 2001-2002. Former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis. Professor Emeritus, Texas A&M University.
* Video: "I first began to suspect that 9/11 was in inside job when the Bush-Cheney Administration invaded Iraq. � We can prove that the government�s story is false." http://video... - Free video presentation of Dr. Reynolds
Catherine Austin Fitts � Assistant Secretary of Housing under George H.W. Bush. Former Managing Director of Wall Street investment bank, Dillon, Read & Co.
* Audio Interview 9/9/04: Regarding 9/11: "The official story could not possibly have happened. It�s not possible. It�s not operationally feasible. ... The Commission was a whitewash." (About 45 minutes into the file.) http://157....
Bring news or information here that shows how the Official Authorized 9/11 Conspiracy Theory as put forth by the Usraeli and British Governments is unraveling.
And may the 9/11 hoax unravel even faster. |
As usual your post is filled with lies.
The 85% figure is far from the truth, were that the case you'd see more public outrage.
Also polls such as that are flawed unless you spread it out over a wide area:
IE: If you go into a heavily doemocratic area and ask about Bush's approval, it will be lower then in Repbulican strong holds.
Secondly the whole plane/pentagon hole thing has been debunked several times over by now.
3rd. The Iranian president, who hates the Jews and wants to exterminate them, and he blames Mossad partly for 9-11? Not so suprising, very bad sources of information.
But then again Meegook,to you everything is a conspiracy.What? Your toilet was clogged? It must have been a conspiracy to flood your house and kill you to prevent you from exposing more conspiracies.
AL qaida planned 9-11 for 5 years. In such of time they would have been able tog ather the intel they needed as far as airport operations and things like that to pull off a hijacking, Terrorirsts have hijacked planes before, nothing new, so this assertion that 9-11 was a inside job is idiotic.
The only thing different about this one is multiple hijackings occured. Ok, so big deal. The terrorists figured otu whcih planes were leaving and going where (Ohh, inside intel needed right? Nope. just a travelocity account or something like that) Chose their planes, and then jijacked them. NONE of that would require any inside or secret intelligence. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:54 pm Post subject: Re: The Unraveling of the Authorized 9/11 Conspiracy Theory |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
As usual your post is filled with lies.
The 85% figure is far from the truth, were that the case you'd see more public outrage.
Also polls such as that are flawed unless you spread it out over a wide area:
IE: If you go into a heavily doemocratic area and ask about Bush's approval, it will be lower then in Repbulican strong holds. |
The problem with the poll is that Meegook never bothered checking the original source and as a result has completely misunderstood it. It's been posted before in this thread, but I'll post the original information one more time. Then maybe Meegook will go back and edit the misinformation out of his initial post. That would be the honest thing for him to do.
The original NYT/CBS poll
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When it comes to what they knew prior to September 11th, 200, about possible terrorist attacks against the United States, do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?
Telling the truth 16%
Hiding something 53%
Mostly lying 28% |
Reading the original poll makes it difficult to understand how Meegook could interpret it the way that he did. But then, the more we get to know about Meegook, the less surprising this kind of mistake becomes.
And nobody can comment on the way that some parts of the conspiracy were carried out with superhuman efficiency and some parts were completely botched and amateur? That doesn't make anyong think twice? |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: The Unraveling of the Authorized 9/11 Conspiracy Theory |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| Then maybe Meegook will go back and edit the misinformation out of his initial post. That would be the honest thing for him to do. |
He still has the fake Sharon quote up on page 2. So don't count on it. |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| As usual your post is filled with lies. |
This is the thread for the unraveling of the 9/11 Hoax. You've brought no evidence whatsoever to support your claims about how Al Qaeda was involved. The FBI has, after five years, found no 'hard evidence that bin Laden was involved in 9/11." If the FBI can't find evidence that the leader of Al Qaeda, who supposedly planned the attack for five years, then it's a safe bet Al Qaeda wasn't involved, because the US government sure wants us to believe he was.
You people were duped when you saw the fake Lladen on the left and confused him for the real Laden on the right. Bin Laden has never admitted to being involved in 9/11. In fact, he's denied involvment.
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| But then again Meegook,to you everything is a conspiracy |
Strawman
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The only thing different about this one is multiple hijackings occured. Ok, so big deal. |
No big deal, just go through some of the most protected airspace in the world and kick the asses of several ex-air force pilots on four different planes etc. You military types are a bunch of pussies for letting Al Qaeda get away with this.
Can't waste my time answering those who can't support their opinions with facts or evidence that can be shown to be erroneous.
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| I'm not sure I see the wisdom of conclusions being drawn before all evidence is gathered. |
All the evidence, what ever that is, is needed to draw conclusions?
If valuable items were missing from your home or business and you suspected someone who worked for you, would you wait until all the evidence was gathered before you acted to protect the rest of your valuables?
In this case, Cheney/Bush need to be arrested and charged with a crime and let's have a trial to gather more evidence. There is already enough to charge them with conspiracy to commit murder. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: The Unraveling of the Authorized 9/11 Conspiracy Theory |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| NAVFC wrote: |
As usual your post is filled with lies.
The 85% figure is far from the truth, were that the case you'd see more public outrage.
Also polls such as that are flawed unless you spread it out over a wide area:
IE: If you go into a heavily doemocratic area and ask about Bush's approval, it will be lower then in Repbulican strong holds. |
The problem with the poll is that Meegook never bothered checking the original source and as a result has completely misunderstood it. It's been posted before in this thread, but I'll post the original information one more time. Then maybe Meegook will go back and edit the misinformation out of his initial post. That would be the honest thing for him to do.
The original NYT/CBS poll
| NYT/CBS poll wrote: |
When it comes to what they knew prior to September 11th, 200, about possible terrorist attacks against the United States, do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?
Telling the truth 16%
Hiding something 53%
Mostly lying 28% |
Reading the original poll makes it difficult to understand how Meegook could interpret it the way that he did. But then, the more we get to know about Meegook, the less surprising this kind of mistake becomes.
And nobody can comment on the way that some parts of the conspiracy were carried out with superhuman efficiency and some parts were completely botched and amateur? That doesn't make anyong think twice? |
The phrasing of the question does leave 81 percent at least believing there was complicity. Tomato/tomahto. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Meegook wrote: |
All the evidence, what ever that is, is needed to draw conclusions?
If valuable items were missing from your home or business and you suspected someone who worked for you, would you wait until all the evidence was gathered before you acted to protect the rest of your valuables?
In this case, Cheney/Bush need to be arrested and charged with a crime and let's have a trial to gather more evidence. There is already enough to charge them with conspiracy to commit murder. |
I was directing my comments to both sides of the argument. Your logic above is flawed, however. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: The Unraveling of the Authorized 9/11 Conspiracy Theory |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| The phrasing of the question does leave 81 percent at least believing there was complicity. Tomato/tomahto. |
No, it doesn't. It's about how much the Bush Administration knew about the threat of a terrorist attack. Look again, and try to read it carefully enough to at least get the numbers right. |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Your logic above is flawed, however. |
In what way? |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:06 am Post subject: |
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Why weren't the Five Dancing Israeli's sent to Guantanomo Cuba as enemy combatants to be kept and tortured like the other 800 or so terrorists that were?
A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.
The men set up cameras by the Hudson River and trained them on the twin towers. (1)
Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)
"They were like happy, you know � They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)
[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4)
Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)
"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (7)
It was later confirmed that the five detained Israelis were in fact Mossad agents (21). They were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. Some of the movers had been kept in solitary confinement for 40 days. (22)
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:29 am Post subject: Re: The Unraveling of the Authorized 9/11 Conspiracy Theory |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| The phrasing of the question does leave 81 percent at least believing there was complicity. Tomato/tomahto. |
No, it doesn't. It's about how much the Bush Administration knew about the threat of a terrorist attack. Look again, and try to read it carefully enough to at least get the numbers right. |
AND SO, if you know an attack is coming and you either help it happen or do nothing YOU ARE COMPLICIT. There is no misunderstanding here but your's. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:38 am Post subject: Re: The Unraveling of the Authorized 9/11 Conspiracy Theory |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| AND SO, if you know an attack is coming and you either help it happen or do nothing YOU ARE COMPLICIT. There is no misunderstanding here but your's. |
Nope. Mismanagement is not complicity. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:46 am Post subject: Re: The Unraveling of the Authorized 9/11 Conspiracy Theory |
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AND SO, if you know an attack is coming and you either help it happen or do nothing YOU ARE COMPLICIT. There is no misunderstanding here but your's. |
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=accomplice&x=17&y=4&gwp=8
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Legal Encyclopedia
Directory > Legal > Legal Encyclopedia
This entry contains information applicable to United States law only.
Accomplice
One who knowingly, voluntarily, and with common intent unites with the principal offender in the commission of a crime. One who is in some way concerned or associated in commission of crime; partaker of guilt; one who aids or assists, or is an accessory. One who is guilty of complicity in crime charged, either by being present and aiding or abetting in it, or having advised and encouraged it, though absent from place when it was committed, though mere presence, acquiescence, or silence, in the absence of a duty to act, is not enough, no matter how reprehensible it may be, to constitute one an accomplice. One is liable as an accomplice to the crime of another if he or she gave assistance or encouragement or failed to perform a legal duty to prevent it with the intent thereby to promote or facilitate commission of the crime.
An accomplice may assist or encourage the principal offender with the intent to have the crime committed, the same as the chief actor. An accomplice may or may not be present when the crime is actually committed. However, without sharing the criminal intent, one who is merely present when a crime occurs and stands by silently is not an accomplice, no matter how reprehensible his or her inaction. |
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Meegook
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Bush says, wrongly, that his first priority is to protect the American people. He sure didn't do that on 9/11.
[His first priority is to uphold and defend the US Constitution].
Santa Rosa Press Democrat: There's that other theory on 9/11
PAUL PAYNE
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT [Santa Rosa California - just north of San Francisco]
Saturday, November 4, 2006
"Steven Jones had a theory about what really happened on Sept. 11, 2001.
So the Brigham Young University physics professor wrote a paper about it and posted it on the school's Web site.
The World Trade Center towers, he suggested, collapsed from the heat of explosive devices possibly placed by the U.S. government, and that the horrific plane crashes were orchestrated as a diversion.
In September the university where he had worked since 1985 placed him on paid leave. He retired last month during a professional review.
Now, the theory that has been condemned by scholars and other critics as groundless has found a new audience at Sonoma State University.
Project Censored, which is based at the university and publishes an annual volume of stories that it says are ignored by the mainstream media, named Jones' work one of the most important of the year.
"There is a conspiracy theory out there that 19 hijackers hit the towers, making them collapse," Jones told several hundred people gathered on campus Friday for keynote address at the start of Project Censored's two-day annual convention. "That is the official conspiracy theory." |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:05 am Post subject: |
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All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| Indeed. Witness global warming. Witness opposition to Iraq. Witness the need to switch to alternative energy. |
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