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On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:26 am Post subject:

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About the Netherlands and banning the costume, yeah! They are waking up. The day the tolerance died in when TVG was hacked to death by a "youth". Gosh darn it, they have also been asking the immigrants to learn dutch, assimilate, deporting the ones who lied to get in, and restricting new muslim immigration. Exactly what I would want them to do. Canada next, please.

I think the point was that America has no plans to regulate what people wear, and yet(according to you) has less of a problem with unassimilated Muslims.

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Canada next, please.

Just an amateur empirical observation from a hagwon jockey here, but...

I worked for about ten years in the absolute bowels of the Canadian welfare state, and during that time I also lived in close proximity to areas that might be called slums. And I gotta say, I encountered few if any welfare recipients who were Muslim. So if Canada does have a problem with unassimiliated Muslims, I can't see that it's really tied into the welfare state, as you suggested is the case in Europe.

(As a caveat, I'm from Edmonton. I'd be curious to know if anyone from another Canadian city has noticed the same abscence of Muslims from the welfare rolls.)

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On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:26 am Post subject:

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On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:27 am Post subject:

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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:46 am Post subject:

Big_Bird wrote:

mnhnhyouh wrote:

dogbert wrote:

They have packs of Lebanese rapists running wild in Sydney targetting Australian girls.

Hmmm, one pack rape, and of course that is one too many. So what about the white pack rapists? Ignore them for the sake of a good point?

h

White Ozzie men have been packraping aboriginal women for the last 200 years or so. Now I bet the aboriginals weren't too happy with the new multi-culturalism post-1788!

So two wrongs make a right? Are you claiming the Lebanese rapists (more than one incident, BTW, for the information of the softie above) are avenging the Aboriginals?

SPINOZA

Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:56 am Post subject:

BJWD wrote:

Oh Christ. Yeah, I've turned this into a rant. Posters ask questions and I answer, regardless of if the are relevant to the OP or not. I have to sit here day after day typing essays out, and don't mind the 'running conversations'. Though, it is a bit rich when i get called out for it.

Spinoza, I get the impression that you're a bully. Is that true? Would your peers characterize you as such? I say so, because you speak aggressively, yet don't show the elementary ability to listen. I bet you were either very tall or very fat growing up. How close am I?

Last time. I'm a libertarian. To the point of almost no government. Use your mind. What do YOU think I believe about prohibition?

I think multiculturalism, the welfare state, barbaric ideas contained in islam are all bad. Combined, they are really bad. That straightforward enough for you?

(see bold)

So you're a fervent antiprohibitionist?

Wow! Excellent.

Yes - I'm 188cm and 101kg, not much fat these days.

Is there anything else totally superfluous you wish to discuss?

No, I hope not. So let's address the real issue.

Why is Islam more morally repugnant than prohobition? I channel my disgust, all of it, into prohibition and the mindless multitude of morons that support it. It's pretty justifiable, since prohibition costs us all a massive, monstrous amount of dollars. It's responsible for 80% of crime and multi-billions in incarceration, policing and personal damage to innocent people - generally, the inflictors of this misery are non-muslim.

So, give me one - I ask only for one - good, evidenced reason why I should consider Islam more repugnant than the prohibition of drugs executed by powerful white men.

Also, I ask why you - as a believer in antiprohibitionism - why you consider Islam, multicult and immigration more problematic, the most problematic perhaps of all the things we should consider problematic.

thepeel

Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:06 am Post subject:

SPINOZA wrote:

BJWD wrote:

So, then, you are a bully? I got you right?

I wouldn't characterize multicult, islam or whatever as being worse than prohibition, actually. But, when I have posted about prohibition, nobody argues with me. If I wanna have a good argument and get the liberals all riled up, I have to go with Islam.

Look at my post on HIV. I schooled several posters, and I get no reply. I only get replies with Islam. I like to argue, and get people riled up, so I go with this. I could debate people who have no idea about econ, and embarrass them, but where is the fun? They just stop posting. I think it is like bb with Israel. The only posts people reply to are about Israel, and clearly she is an argumentative person, so she posts about Israel.

mnhnhyouh

Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject:

dogbert wrote:

So two wrongs make a right? Are you claiming the Lebanese rapists (more than one incident, BTW, for the information of the softie above) are avenging the Aboriginals?

No, just showing that is isn't just Muslim men who pack rape. With any group it is easy to pick out a bad incident or two committed by some members of that group, and portray the whole group as being the same.

If we were talking about a racially defined group, that would be a good definition of racism. But we are not, so I guess my best call would be that somebody who does that is a bigot.

h

SPINOZA

Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject:

BJWD wrote:

SPINOZA wrote:

BJWD wrote:

Yes, I'm a bully. I love nothing more than using my superior strength to crush hapless, clueless prohibitionists.

Didn't realize you're an antiprohibitionist - kudos to you. Assumed you'd be the reverse for some reason.

Anyway, dreadfully sorry to hear there are no prohibitionists on my beloved CE forum. I suppose that's because it can't be refuted and they know it.

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject:

BJWD wrote:

Spinoza, I get the impression that you're a bully. Is that true? Would your peers characterize you as such? I say so, because you speak aggressively, yet don't show the elementary ability to listen.

Haha! Pot. Kettle.

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject:

dogbert wrote:

Big_Bird wrote:

mnhnhyouh wrote:

dogbert wrote:

They have packs of Lebanese rapists running wild in Sydney targetting Australian girls.

Hmmm, one pack rape, and of course that is one too many. So what about the white pack rapists? Ignore them for the sake of a good point?

h

White Ozzie men have been packraping aboriginal women for the last 200 years or so. Now I bet the aboriginals weren't too happy with the new multi-culturalism post-1788!

So two wrongs make a right? Are you claiming the Lebanese rapists (more than one incident, BTW, for the information of the softie above) are avenging the Aboriginals?

No. 2 wrongs make a bigger wrong. I was just pointing out that it's a big problem in any culture. But that's not to say I think the Lebanese (and Pakistani) pack rapes in Oz where somehow excusable. I was delighted with their long sentences. Filthy scum.

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject:

BJWD wrote:

I think it is like bb with Israel. The only posts people reply to are about Israel, and clearly she is an argumentative person, so she posts about Israel.

dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:43 pm Post subject:

mnhnhyouh wrote:

dogbert wrote:

So two wrongs make a right? Are you claiming the Lebanese rapists (more than one incident, BTW, for the information of the softie above) are avenging the Aboriginals?

Before Australia allowed the immigration of Arabs, it did not have Arab pack rapists.

It's not just "a bad incident or two". It is a pervasive pattern of behavior and the perpetrators are open about targeting white Australian women for violent sexual attack.

In that light, it should not be taboo for Australia to reconsider its immigration policies.

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject:

I agree actually dogbert. There is a problem with a particular segment of the Lebanese community. Due to the Lebanese war, Australia took in a lot of poor uneducated refugees from that war torn area of the world, and many brought some pretty 'backward' (for want of a better description) ideas with them, including ideas about women that do not sit well in a modern westernised society. These have often been passed on to the next generation, who feel it's OK to harrass or assault women in certain contexts. There really does need to be some kind or 're-education.' However, I would not stop at immigrants. There are still plenty of Australian males of European descent who have some dreadful attitudes to women, and rape and domestic violence are still rife among that population too.

mnhnhyouh

Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:57 pm Post subject:

So given that there were already pack rapes occurring in Australia, should we ban all men here? Or is it just you hate muslims? If so, then come out and say it..... Or explain why the muslim pack rapists are your biggest gripe. Of course the majority of Lebanese in Australia are more likely to be christians, not muslims. Does that change your position? h

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:10 pm Post subject:

mnhnhyouh wrote:

So given that there were already pack rapes occurring in Australia, should we ban all men here?

Or is it just you hate muslims? If so, then come out and say it.....

Or explain why the muslim pack rapists are your biggest gripe.

Of course the majority of Lebanese in Australia are more likely to be christians, not muslims. Does that change your position?

h

I'm not sure if this is directed at me or dogbert.

Lebanese have been settling in Australia since the 19th century, and they were mostly Christian. I'm sure they would have had their fair share of criminals too. The segment I was thinking about (the more recent wave of immigrants taken in the latter part of the 20th century) are largely muslim. However, I don't think it is so much their religion which is responsible for their attitudes as it is their previous economic status and lack of education. Misogyny is not the sole preserve of islam, though many here pretend it is.

My post made some concession to dogbert. Yes, there were at least 2 instances of packs of rapists (in one case Lebanese, in another Pakistani brothers) deliberately targetting white girls as their victims, and racially taunting them as they raped them. I agree with dogbert that steps need to be taken to ensure that new immigrants know that certain attitudes that may be held in their old culture are not acceptable in their new host nation.

However, I also agree with you that this problem is not restricted to muslim rapists. White men have raped black women largely with impunity until very recently, often racially taunting them as part of the humiliation. It's also very easy for white men to get away with raping women from their own community. If, for example, they make sure the girl has had a drink first, make sure she's wearing a short skirt, use a condom, then it's very easy to avoid being charged, nevermind be prosecuted.

I think young men (and possibly their female peers too) in general need educating on these issues. Immigrants probably should be forced to take some classes in this regard...but so should young 'native' Australians at highschool.

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