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dmbfan

Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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It is good to know that we have so many perfect foreign teachers here in Korea.................otherwise, there would not be a bad thing to say about the place............
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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It is good to know that we have so many perfect foreign teachers here in Korea.................otherwise, there would not be a bad thing to say about the place............
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Ha. You sound like George Bush. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| If you want to be a teacher you should take the trouble to learn what is involved in this profession before you come to Korea. |
And then get paid the same as the walking tape recorders... |
But treated a heck of a lot better and with more respect from your co-teachers and the students.
Then again if you don't mind being a bit of a joke... |
Thanks for the laugh. They don't respect you, they fear the system.
Get real.
Co-teachers? Only an ass-clown needs a co-teacher. Means they don't respect you. Duh. |
Again you display your sublime lack of intelligence. For all regular classes IT IS THE LAW that a Korea teacher MUST be in the class with a foreign teacher. It is the GOVERNMENT'S policy not the school's.
And for your information I only teach six classes with co-teachers. All the rest I teach solo. So much for your theory of respect.
Just because you are a clown at your hakwon doesn't mean that other foreign teachers are. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Co-teacher. (snicker) |
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Smee

Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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I read the OP but didn't read all 6 pages. Just wanted to say that I'm pretty much in the same situation. My first semester here I wasn't used hardly at all (9 teaching hours a week), so I was really happy to see a full schedule this time around. I would be teaching with homeroom teachers rather than with a designated co-teacher. Since the homeroom teachers are busy with other stuff, I said I'd take the classes. They seemed okay with that, as most teachers either didn't show up to class or sat at the desk grading stuff for other classes, playing on their phones, or sleeping (yes, sleeping).
I mentioned to my handler that I'd like to see them take a more active role, especially since a good K-teacher can do a lot of stuff with younger learners that I can't. Instead of them taking a more active rol ein the class, though, it was decided that they would teach the English classes entirely by themselves. This is for a few reasons: (1) they want to lead an English class more in line with the tone of their normal classes (which I understand); (2) they will eventualy have to teach English classes by themselves, as my county is phasing out native speakers; (3) they're afraid to speak English in front of a native speaker.
I've been pretty upset the past 6 weeks as this all has unfolded. Unfortunately there's not much I can do, as my county----Gangjin, in Jeollanam-do---will not be using native speakers in the public schools. So, where before there was incentive to communicate with each other and have a smooth class, the point is moot as they know that I have no authority and that they can opt out of teaching with me. I've been shocked by the blatant disrespect shown me by a large number of my coworkers.
What's more, this school is designated as an "English school," as there's a language lab here, yet I'm not involved with any of the English that goes on here. An hour after a teacher told me---in Korean---that she was capable of leading an English class by herself, I went down to the teachers' office to see her putting together embarassingly-Konglish English posters. *rolls eyes* And, another teacher wanted to make a video about how ENglish classes are run, but I was just there for decoration (he, after all, teaches the classes without me). So he put me in front of a camera with another K-teacher and gave the 7 students electronic books that are activated by some sort of sensor-pen that moves over the words. So instead of learning from an actual English speaker, he thought it better to use dated technology and have the kids listen and repeat. (Half the time they switched the controls over to Chinese or Japanese anyway).
As it stands I teach about half of my contracted classes. A quarter of the classes are taught exclusively by a K-teacher without me in the room. Another quarter is taught by a K-teacher with me in the room. In that case, sometimes they will use me for modelling or pronunciation, or sometimes they will go the entire class without acknowledging me.
Needless to say I won't be resigning here in August. There's a lot that can be said about having native speakers in the classroom, an dthe literature out there offers all sorts of pros and cons. However, I've been disgusted by the unwillingness of my county to make it work and to invest the proper time and energy into having a well-balanced class. Anyway . . . yeah, I hear you dmbfan. |
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bosintang

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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I've been shocked by the blatant disrespect shown me by a large number of my coworkers.
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I'm generalising, but one thing I've found in Asia, is that people no longer have the time for you if you're of no use to them. It's like, well, we're phasing out your job, you're not going to be renewing, so we don't have to pretend like you're meaningful to us anymore. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Fan: Everytime someone here blames you for the situation you've got yourself into or tells you that you're basically screwed now, you reply w/this "Oh, you're so perfect!" routine. It's tired...give it a rest. For myself, I'll spell it out for you: I'm NOT perfect. My school is NOT perfect. My lessons are NOT perfect. My co-teachers are NOT perfect. But by using common sense and courtesy, even when things are not going all that well, I'm in one hell of a better position than you are.
So OK. You want to finish your contract but you're wondering what to do about the mess you've got on your hands. Well, frankly, I don't know how you can mend any fences or whatever with what you said you have said/done in the past. It might not be impossible. I do believe it will take a massive attitude change on your part. If you can pull it off, power to you. It would make the rest of your contract a lot more pleasant, regardless of how you feel about Korea/Koreans. Good luck...seriously. |
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pest2

Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Co-teacher. (snicker) |
whose the chick in your avatar? |
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pest2

Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Smee wrote: |
I've been shocked by the blatant disrespect shown me by a large number of my coworkers.
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I'm generalising, but one thing I've found in Asia, is that people no longer have the time for you if you're of no use to them. It's like, well, we're phasing out your job, you're not going to be renewing, so we don't have to pretend like you're meaningful to us anymore. |
yep yep. Asian quid pro quo relationships at thier full effect. No utility > no relationship.
Why cant people just get along for the sake of getting along instead of so they can use each other like tools? lala... |
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dmbfan

Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Ha. You sound like George Bush |
and....................(drum tap, followed by a cymbol crash)?
dmbfan
If the K-teachers had been doing what I asked them to do (when I arrivedc here 7 months ago), none of this would be happening. Again, this is what I asked for.
1. Monitor student behavior.
2. Be observant (so when it is obvious the students don't understand something, they can help me by trying to explain to them. Thus, I will find another way to communicate).
3. Make sure the students are prepared, and set a good example.
Apparently, this has been too much for them to do. In fact, my counterpart still has yet to tell them these things. Ya know, "Hey guys, the foreign teacher is doing all that he can do. He WANTS to work. Lets chip in, and make this a good program".
And, after days and weeks of the same crap, yeah.........I blew up at a K-teacher. I dont give holly bejesus what some of you "perfect" teachers may think of that........I did it, and I would probably do it again. It was the straw that broke the camels back. And, the only reason I am mentioning is that because some of you lackeys feel that it needs to be brought up.......
The fact of the matter is, if the Korean teachers had been doing their jobs, none of this would have happened. I was given full reign in the classroom when I first arrived. But, I immediately asked for help with the three things mentioned above................none has been given (there are good K-teachers. Not all are useless. But, the ones that are started out that way, and have remained that way.).
Hey, for those want to be a tape recorder and do nothing (which, I am surprised that nobody is flaming you for............and all the moaning abou the lack of quality teachers.... ), go for it! If that is your ambition, "get er doooooone". But, you don't see me bashing you, right? No. If doing nothing is what makes you happy, then by all means.........
But, I am actually trying to work, and get things done. No, it is NOT my job to constantly control 22 different classes with 40 students.....I've tried, no help. In all honesty, I created a pretty good learning envriorment..........task based learning.......sturctural lessons..........using the Lexical Approach with solid E.S.A. lessons.
Perhaps the K-teachers realize that they are a bag of shite, and I make them look bad? Possibly.
Perhaps they just dont' care, and want to make it known? Perhaps.
Perhaps it is the fault of my counterpart for not helping in the beginning when I asked him to? Possibly.
Perhaps it is because Korens just can't get it together when it comes to English education? Definately part of it.
You lackeys can flame me all you want................take your best shot(s). But, before you do, remember this....................am I TRYING to get out of doing work? Am I TRYING to do as little as possible and still get paid? Am I TRYING to be perfect? NO..............I'm just trying to make sure the kids have the opportunity to be one step ahead of the kids at the other schools. But, to do that.........Korean teachers, the administration, and the pirnciple need ot get off thier arsses and take some initiative and help lay the ground work for a good program.
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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I think what you will find is that the crusader attitude doesn't work.
You need to be more of a missionary and work at it slowly.
It took three years at my last school for the changes to be seen but they were visible. Expecting immediate results is just expecting too much. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Co-teacher. (snicker) |
whose the chick in your avatar? |
Someone started a thread about their bad hagwon and another poster said knew the place somehow and posted the owner's picture and the name of the school. That was her picture. LOL. |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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This cuts to the heart of the matter: What are your qualifications and how old are you relative to your other K teachers? Like it or not, this an ascribed culture and very hierarchal. If you do not have your MA and certification from your home country, they will view you as jumping the chain of command when you give strong suggestions regarding change. You caused all in the program to lose face, and they reacted in accordance with the cultural norms here.
If you have your MA, certification, and experience in your home country, and really want to teach, go to Hong Kong's NET program. If you have a BA, no experience and no certification, teach here and roll with the system. Changes here come slowly, the system favours past experience rather than a future oriented perspective, and a long-term approach prevails. You are viewed as being here short term, most likely less qualified than the K teachers you criticised, and unknowledgeable about the history of the system and the 'Korean way' of doing things. It is not your place to implement changes to a system, particularly if you are young, comparatively undereducated/qualified, and inexperienced.
Thems the breaks. Deal with it. |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| If you have your MA, certification, and experience in your home country, and really want to teach, go to Hong Kong's NET program. If you have a BA, no experience and no certification, teach here and roll with the system. Changes here come slowly, the system favours past experience rather than a future oriented perspective, and a long-term approach prevails. You are viewed as being here short term, most likely less qualified than the K teachers you criticised, and unknowledgeable about the history of the system and the 'Korean way' of doing things. It is not your place to implement changes to a system, particularly if you are young, comparatively undereducated/qualified, and inexperienced. |
That's what I said but in fewer words.  |
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dmbfan

Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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This cuts to the heart of the matter: What are your qualifications and how old are you relative to your other K teachers? Like it or not, this an ascribed culture and very hierarchal. If you do not have your MA and certification from your home country, they will view you as jumping the chain of command when you give strong suggestions regarding change. You caused all in the program to lose face, and they reacted in accordance with the cultural norms here.
If you have your MA, certification, and experience in your home country, and really want to teach, go to Hong Kong's NET program. If you have a BA, no experience and no certification, teach here and roll with the system. Changes here come slowly, the system favours past experience rather than a future oriented perspective, and a long-term approach prevails. You are viewed as being here short term, most likely less qualified than the K teachers you criticised, and unknowledgeable about the history of the system and the 'Korean way' of doing things. It is not your place to implement changes to a system, particularly if you are young, comparatively undereducated/qualified, and inexperienced.
Thems the breaks. Deal with it. |
Again, all I asked for were three simple things......................it does not take someone with an M.A. to figure that out.
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