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"Jena 6": America the not-so-beautiful
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Pluto



Joined: 19 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blaseblasphemener wrote:
Pluto wrote:
blaseblasphemener wrote:
Gopher wrote:
blaseblasphemener wrote:
Despite your rhetoric, it might surprise you to know that I have always been a great supporter of the American people...


Sure. As Ya-ta Boy has pointed out, we have seen this line-of-thinking before. You are not really antisemitic. Your best-friend is a Jew. See? Blah, blah, blah.


You sound like the tide of drones after 9-11 who bought into Bush's "Your either with us, or against us". There is a shade of gray, you know. It doesn't always have to be all or nothing. Why can't I like Americans in general, without questioning what the hell is going on America with many Americans? As I said earlier, you should welcome critical thought, because after 9/11, America's critical thought button seemingly went on pause. If you don't believe that, you're probably not much of a fan of Michael Moore's work.


I am not a fan of Michael Moore's (selective editing) work. However, he's got his fans so good for him. He's making the most of a free market economy.
I think what Gopher is getting at is that you have got to examine the whole story, not just Jena, or the confederate waving NASCAR dads. There are many things going on at any one time. So just for the sake of balance in this thread, give this article a read:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/22/us/22church.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp&oref=slogin


P.S. Also, my philosophy is completely different from yours as I believe in lower taxes, smaller governments and more free markets. Yes even the free market can provide Health Care with high quality service. You might consider this wrong, but this is my philosophy.


How do you know what I believe? Do you assume that because I'm Canadian, I must be a hard-core Socialist? Hilarious. . As mentioned in the Sarkozy (sic) thread in this forum, Canada underwent a huge reduction in it's civil service and government services is in the 90s. Also at that time, Alberta underwent drastic measures to balance it's books and lower taxes, while privatizing several profitable government businesses, most notably the Liquor Stores in the province. Alberta is also the only province in Canada with no provincial sales tax, and it, along with most other provinces, has battled the federal government over interference in provincial matters.

As for the health care argument, I absolutely believe that a free market can provide quality care. The question is, what about the 50 million Americans without health insurance, and what about those Americans with health insurance that say the system doesn't have their best interests in mind?


No, that non sequitur (latin btw) came from you mentioning Michael Moore, not that you're Canadian. At any rate, the point was that because people have a different POV doesn't make them wrong, we just see things differently.
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blaseblasphemener wrote:
Do you assume that because I'm Canadian, I must be a hard-core Socialist? Hilarious.


Why is that so "hilarious?" You seem to think that all Americans are racist drones (although you had your nice little "Not that I dislike Americans" disclaimer), so why is it wrong for Americans to paint Canadians with the "Michael Moore is God," "We have Moral Superiority," "We must prove that we are notAmerican" stereotype? So far, you've fit that bill pretty neatly.
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pligganease wrote:
blaseblasphemener wrote:
Do you assume that because I'm Canadian, I must be a hard-core Socialist? Hilarious.


Why is that so "hilarious?" You seem to think that all Americans are racist drones (although you had your nice little "Not that I dislike Americans" disclaimer), so why is it wrong for Americans to paint Canadians with the "Michael Moore is God," "We have Moral Superiority," "We must prove that we are notAmerican" stereotype? So far, you've fit that bill pretty neatly.



Wow. I bet you only read the headlines in the newspaper, right? Ah, and look at the pictures. Go back to your colouring book Sport.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I look forward to hearing the examples of my stereotyping etc.


I pointed out the three that I caught as we have been going along. I feel no need to go back and do it again. Use your scroller.

I'm busy making Chuseok dinner, so I'll have to wait till I can take a break before addressing anything.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Use your scroller...


Presupposes he is actually listening to you.
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