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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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No, McGarrett: the virility thing evinces deep conditioning by the gender people. Have you not heard? The entire Spanish-American War was about manhood. In any case, our friend Jill is not the independent thinker she holds herself to be...  |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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It seems the recent close encounter between U.S. Navy warships and Iranian speedboats in the Strait of Hormuz was spurred on by a notorious radio wisecracker called the "Filipino Monkey."
The Guardian reports that the elusive monkey�a "mythical guy out there who, hour after hour, shouts obscenities and threats" over Navy radio frequencies�was the creepy voice that American sailors heard muttering, "I am coming to you... You will explode in a few minutes," during their 20-minute standoff last week with the Iranians.
For their part, the Iranians deny any aggressive behavior, claiming the video/audio released by the Pentagon is propaganda. Whatever the case, there's a surly monkey of man out there somewhere, probably sitting alone in his basement with a toy radio set, who almost made our world much more complicated. |
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/01/6862_be_careful_kids.html |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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thepeel:
Yeah, it might have been a bogus radio broadcast but it still doesn't negate or excuse the Iranian action. And the video makes it clear that these boats were close enough to identify the sovereignty of the naval convoy.
Any closer and they would be metrosexuals in a Sunkist soda ad in Seoul.
And next time you cite Mother Jones, please include a warning label that it's a leftwing rag. Otherwise Jill will have a pill. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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You say bolster internal stability, I say prop up. I agree, I think it's the best option we have, but it's still a prop job nonetheless. Don't forget about Kuwait, another prop job...
I'm sure the US knows what they're doing.... |
Good grief, man, get a grip. Now I know what the number in your username stands for: your CE IQ. Gopher is right: it's a waste of time talking to you. You need a primer in MidEast diplomacy so you can stop whining about the travails of "propping up" this or that state. Besides, I don't see how Kuwait qualifies as a puppet state regardless.
If we know what we're doing, then why worry about anyway?
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I'm not really worried about it. I never said I was worried. I was making a point about sovereignty and the US military presence in the gulf. But why get into actual points made? I'm just naive, and not educated about the Middle East! Right? I'm "whining", like a little girl would. Same basic premise. It's such an obvious attempt to make my position appear feminine, or childish, when compared to yours. Which is (in your mind) mature and masculine. Like the big strong man that you are.
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Normally I wouldn't recommend this course of action, but in your case I think some Freudian psychotherapy is in order.  |
Thanks. Of course, psychotherapy! I'll look into getting psychoanalyzed, since it's at the forefront of modern psychiatric theory. You know, because we're still living in the 1910's. Until I get back from Vienna, please feel free to throw in more ad hominems while you continue with your one sad trick, pony.
And Herr Gopher! What? Another crappy Bill Buckley impression? No, maybe George Plimpton? I can't tell. Either way, you'll get to the bottom of my psyche! Sally forth!
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No, McGarrett: the virility thing evinces deep conditioning by the gender people. Have you not heard? The entire Spanish-American War was about manhood. In any case, our friend Jill is not the independent thinker she holds herself to be...
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You, my friend, are just a bigot, plain and simple, as your posts have indicated. You thought yourself clever by insinuating that I'm a girl to be some kind of swipe, because apparently you're still 12 years old. And apparently you still do judging by that delicious little bon mot. Jill? As in that's my name? Because I'm not male? Wunderbar! Anyway, conservatives has long identified themselves with being the daddy. In fact it was pretty much coined by National Review poster boy Jude Wanniski, herald of the Laffer Curve. But I'm sure I'm just spouting more Chomsky-rimming ivory tower academese psychobabble! Maybe I'll roll up my sleeves and get out there in the real world, some day. Maybe I can even go work at a gay steel mill. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Jill, I do like it when you call me "daddy." But not on a public forum, OK? Otherwise, let's talk when you stop raggin'... |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Jill, I do like it when you call me "daddy." But not on a public forum, OK? Otherwise, let's talk when you stop raggin'... |
Did you study under Dane Cook? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Wow! I have to drop in more often! Quality writing and arguing. Love it! Swagger and swank (not hilary!).
Getting back to the basic point of contention - sovereignty. Please tell me why the hell is the U.S. of A. out there with it's big ships and swagger?
I love it how certain members of this forum when they have nothing else to say but the same old playbook - quip with the "it's useless to talk to you". They show their colours; it isn't about dialogue it's about myialogue.
DD
http://eflclassroom.ning.com |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Navy Times Reports "Filipino Monkey"
Possible Message Source
CAIRO, Egypt - A threatening radio message at the end of a video showing Iranian patrol boats swarming near U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf may have come from a "prankster" rather than from the Iranian vessels, the Navy Times newspaper has reported.
A video and audio of the Jan. 6 incident in the Strait of Hormuz featured a man in accented English saying "I am coming to you ... you will explode after a few minutes."
MORE ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080114/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_us_navy
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Wow! I have to drop in more often! Quality writing and arguing. Love it! Swagger and swank (not hilary!).
Getting back to the basic point of contention - sovereignty. Please tell me why the hell is the U.S. of A. out there with it's big ships and swagger?
I love it how certain members of this forum when they have nothing else to say but the same old playbook - quip with the "it's useless to talk to you". They show their colours; it isn't about dialogue it's about myialogue.
DD
http://eflclassroom.ning.com |
Well on of Iran's threats is to close the gulf another one of Irans dreams is to take the gulf so it could use oil to blackmail the US. That was also one of Saddam's goals.
US forces are in the gulf not only to protect oil supplies which the US needs but also to support US operations in Iraq and to conduct missions against Al Qaeda.
If Iran just gave up their war there would be no problem with the US. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| If the Filipino Monkeys just gave up their war there would be no problem ... with the US. |
"I am coming to you ... you will explode after a few minutes." |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Shipment of high explosives intercepted in Iraq
Most sophisticated of roadside bombs reportedly coming from Iran |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8829929/
9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
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| Senior U.S. officials have told TIME that the 9/11 Commission's report will cite evidence suggesting that the 9/11 hijackers had previously passed through Iran |
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html
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| The American military said Tuesday that it had credible evidence linking Iranians and their Iraqi associates, detained here in raids last week, to criminal activities, including attacks against American forces. Evidence also emerged that some detainees had been involved in shipments of weapons to illegal armed groups in Iraq. |
http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F0061EF635550C748EDDAB0994DE404482
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| On June 25, 1996, Iran again attacked America at Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, exploding a huge truck bomb that devastated Khobar Towers and murdered 19 U.S. airmen as they rested in their dormitory. These young heroes spent every day risking their lives enforcing the no-fly zone over southern Iraq; that is, protecting Iraqi Shiites from their own murderous tyrant. When I visited this horrific scene soon after the attack, I watched dozens of dedicated FBI agents combing through the wreckage in 120-degree heat, reverently handling the human remains of our brave young men. More than 400 of our Air Force men and women were wounded in this well-planned attack, and I was humbled by their courage and spirit. I later met with the families of our lost Khobar heroes and promised that we would do whatever was necessary to bring these terrorists to American justice. The courage and dignity these wonderful families have consistently exemplified has been one of the most powerful experiences of my 26 years of public service. |
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003518
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Iran responsible for 1983 Marine barracks bombing, judge rules
Friday, May 30, 2003 Posted: 11:14 PM EDT (0314 GMT)
Marines search through the rubble for their missing comrades after the 1983 barracks bombing in Beirut, Lebanon.
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| WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is responsible for the 1983 suicide bombing of a U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, that killed 241 American servicemen, a U.S. District Court judge ruled Friday. |
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/30/iran.barracks.bombing/
Amir Taheri: Khomeinists hammering new strategy to oust 'Great Satan'
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But at almost exactly the same time, militants from some 40 countries spread across the globe were trekking to Tehran for a 10-day "revolutionary jamboree" in which "a new strategy to confront the American Great Satan" will be hammered out. The event is scheduled to start on February 1 to mark the 25th anniversary of the return to Iran from exile of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the "Islamic Revolution".
It is not clear how many militants will attend, but the official media promise a massive turnout to underline the Islamic Republic's position as the "throbbing heart of world resistance to American arrogance."
The guest list reads like a who-is-who of global terror.
In fact, most of the organisations attending the event, labelled "Ten-Days of Dawn", are branded by the US and some European Union members as terrorist outfits. For more than two decades, Tehran has been a magnet for militant groups from many different national and ideological backgrounds.
The Islamic Republic's hospitality cuts across even religious divides. Militant Sunni organisations, including two linked to Al Qaida, Ansar al-Islam (Companions of Islam) and Hizb Islami (The Islamic Party), enjoy Iranian hospitality.
They are joined by Latin American guerrilla outfits, clandestine Irish organisations, Basque and Corsican separatists, and a variety of leftist groups from Spartacists to Trotskyites and Guevarists. Tehran is the only capital where all the Palestinian militant movements have offices and, in some cases, training and financial facilities. |
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/04/01/28/109235.html
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U.S.: Top Iran officials ordering bombs to Iraq
Orders to send armor-piercing bombs came from highest levels, official says |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17097658/
The regime also teaches hate and incites violence as a military tactic which is the primary cause of terror.
Iran also supports Hizzbollah who couterfits US money and sells drugs. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Getting back to the basic point of contention - sovereignty. Please tell me why the hell is the U.S. of A. out there with it's big ships and swagger?
I love it how certain members of this forum when they have nothing else to say but the same old playbook - quip with the "it's useless to talk to you". They show their colours; it isn't about dialogue it's about myialogue.
DD
http://eflclassroom.ning.com |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Ddeubel: your "question" has already been answered. I place the word in scare-quotes because I do not believe you ask it in good-faith, you ask it rhetorically and to bait, and that you are not open to hearing an answer that conflicts with your own view that no American warships ought to exist outside the American coast. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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jkelly80 fantasized:
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| Maybe I can even go work at a gay steel mill. |
Yeah, well, if that doesn't work out, try viewing the film The Deer Hunter for some virtual reality.
Maybe deNiro can make a man out of you yet.
In the meantime, I suggest you PM ddeubel. The two of you can buddy up on your re-butt-als for the next forum thread. |
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