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[thepeel]

[BS.Dos.]

There's a lot of people who sit on the pro-gun fence. Conversely, there's a lot who sit on the other side.

There's a lot of people who can see a conection between these mass killings and gun ownership and there's a lot of people who don't.

Canada makes a very good case for the pro-gun argument.
America makes a very good case for the anti-gun argument.

Shrugging your shoulders everytime another dozen teenagers get wasted doesn't seem to be working but I don't think that this problem is without a possible solution.

What would be the public response in Canada if there was a sudden rise in these sorts of crimes?

[ultra]

Citizens Committee for the
Right to Keep and Bear Arms
12500 N.E. Tenth Place
Bellevue, WA 98005

CANADA'S GUN REGISTRATION FAILURE: VIOLENT CRIME RATE DOUBLE THAT OF U.S.

BELLEVUE, WA � Canada's billion-dollar boondoggle � the national gun registration scheme � has proven itself an abysmal failure, as that country's violent crime rates are double those reported in the United States, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) noted today.

"We looked at violent crime rates per 100,000 population in both countries, using the most recent available data," said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb, "and we were not surprised at what we found. Since Canada started this ridiculous and costly program, violent crime has gone up dramatically, at the same time that crime in the United States has declined. Yet, there are people in the states who think Canada's gun legislation should be the model for America.

"By comparing the data," he detailed, "we found that the violent crime rate in the United States was 475 per 100,000 population, while up north, there were 963 violent crimes per 100,000 population. The figure for sexual assault in Canada per 100,000 population is more than double that of the United States, 74 as opposed to 32.1, and the assault rate in Canada is also more than twice that of the states, 746 to our 295 for the population rate."

Noted CCRKBA Executive Director Joe Waldron: "What happened in the states to actually contribute to a reduction in our overall crime rate is simple. We've got 38 states with shall-issue, right-to-carry concealed handgun laws. While Canada has clamped down on its citizens' gun rights, our citizens have been empowered against criminals by passage of these laws. The disparity in crime rates between the two countries says it all about how well gun registration works to stop crime, as opposed to actually carrying guns to deter criminals, and fight back if necessary."

A Jan. 3 story in Canada's National Post by writer David Frum confirmed CCRKBA's independent finding. Frum wrote, "Canada's overall crime rate is now 50% higher than the crime rate in the United States." Later, Frum added: "Gun registries and gun bans�do not work."

"Instead of promising to ban legally-owned handguns in Canada," Waldron observed, "Prime Minister Paul Martin should be urging citizens to arm themselves. He should encourage Parliament to scrap gun registration and replace it with a gun ownership and training program."

"Since going on the warpath against guns, Canada's Liberals have presided over the sharpest rise in violent crime in the nation's history," Gottlieb said. "There are more rapes, more robberies and more murders. If that tells Canadian citizens anything at all, it's that Paul Martin and his Liberals have literally been �dead wrong' on guns."

[thepeel]

[Justin Hale]

Wikipedia's gun violence stats are based on 1999; nevertheless taking a look at the stats of the US, Canada and England + Wales backs up my point about culture/society rather than law. Guns are just as popular in Canada and protected by the constitution, yet in Canada the likelihood of being shot is 28% of that in the US, whereas, more interestingly - since Canada being a less violent and insane society than the US is hardly headline news - the likelihood of being shot in England and Wales is 71% of that in Canada, meaning England/Wales have a societal and cultural problem with guns despite total illegality and Canada doesn't have much of a problem at all considering guns aren't prohibited.

I don't recommend total prohibition of guns in the US at all; I think it'd be a disaster like prohibition of alcohol. America is not Saudi Arabia where prohibition does somewhat work. Americans want to drink. Prohibition was repealed for a reason. Likewise, the Americans are not the Dutch or the Spanish with regard to guns and so it's dreamland stuff to suppose American gun violence stats will go down to Netherlands and Spain levels solely via prohibition.

[BS.Dos.]

[Wildbore]

[bucheon bum]

Why did you dig up a thread from 5 years ago? Especially when there are much more recent posts on guns on this board. Random.

[le-paul]

discussing guns/ownership is akin to discussing religion. Youre very rarely going to dissuade someone from their ingrained, personal beliefs.

[Titus]

http://news.yahoo.com/two-teenage-boys-arrested-georgia-baby-shooting-death-205206658--abc-news-topstories.html

[bigverne]

I wonder what the media reaction would have been had a young white thug murdered a black infant in cold blood.

[Titus]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/25/george-zimmermans-brother-robert-zimmerman-jr_n_2948210.html

Good on him for defending his brother.