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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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I'm beginning to think that the behaviour of the McCain supporters is really, really hurting him and pushing a lot of undecideds over to Barry.
I doubt many people would want to be associated with the charicatures that are popping up all over the web. |
The American public has had 8 years of the cultural devisiveness game employed by Rove. There on to the fact that character assassination simply doesn't result in good leaders being chosen as president. |
Well, when George Bush senior went against Dukakis they used cut-throat tactics, misled the people with "read my lips, no new taxes", and Rove and his troops tore Kerry apart in a vicious manner, but now so many in America doesn't trust the GOP including card carrying members of the GOP. People are getting very turned off when there are strong attacks
against Obama. The attacks would have been more effective in the past, but now that's backfiring.
I feel sorry for McCain, because it is not his fault he wasn't chosen by the GOP in 2000. That was the GOP's choice, not his. And McCain has sold himself to the non-traditional Republican elements who are too narrow-minded that George Bush senior wasn't so beholden to. The party is in trouble. I do like McCain. He is a good person in general. However, he is a Republican who is somewhat connected to Bush. Al Gore partially lost, because he was connected to Clinton. Now, it is good to be associated with Bill Clinton in America. |
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The Hammer
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ullungdo 37.5 N, 130.9 E, altitude : 223 m
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Great videos!
If J-Mac becomes president, the world is in for a hurting on a scale unseen since...
Since George W. Bush.
If you support John McCain you're an idiot! |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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Here's some information on that "terrorist" John McCain and Sarah Palin keep ranting about, courtesy of the Wall Street Journal:
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Bill's got lots of friends, and that's because he is today a dedicated servant of those less fortunate than himself; because he is unfailingly generous to people who ask for his help; and because he is kind and affable and even humble. Moral qualities which, by the way, were celebrated boisterously on day one of the GOP convention in September.
Mr. Ayers is a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC), where his work is esteemed by colleagues of different political viewpoints. Herbert Walberg, an advocate of school vouchers who is a visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution, told me he remembers Mr. Ayers as "a responsible colleague, in the professional sense of the word." Bill Schubert, who served as the chairman of UIC's Department of Curriculum and Instruction for many years, thinks so highly of Mr. Ayers that, in response to the current allegations, he compiled a lengthy r�sum� of the man's books, journal articles, guest lectures and keynote speeches. Mr. Ayers has been involved with countless foundation efforts and has received various awards. He volunteers for everything. He may once have been wanted by the FBI, but in the intervening years the man has become such a good citizen he ought to be an honorary Eagle Scout.
I do not defend the things Mr. Ayers did in his Weatherman days. Nor will I quibble with those who find Mr. Ayers wanting in contrition. His 2001 memoir is shot through with regret, but it lacks the abject style our culture prefers.
Instead I want to note that, in its haste to convict a man merely for associating with Mr. Ayers, the GOP is effectively proposing to make the upcoming election into the largest mass trial in history, with all those professors and all those do-gooders on the hook for someone else's deeds four decades ago. Also in the dock: the demonic city (Chicago) that once named Mr. Ayers its "Citizen of the Year." Fire up Hurricane Katrina and point it toward Lake Michigan!...
The nation wants its hope and confidence restored, and Republican leaders have chosen instead to wave the bloody shirt. This is their vilest hour. |
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122402888900234543.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
The Hoover Institution is a conservative think tank:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Institution
21 days to go. The Grand Old Pentacostal Party should have waited till the last week to launch this smear. Instead, there's still plenty of time for the truth to come out. And it's not a pretty picture of John McCain. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: |
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Why would the esteemed and respected University of Illinois at Chicago give a professorship to a terrorist????????????
That is what those on the right should be asking instead of trying to smear the Democratic candidate by association with an UNSTATED implied image of some social outsider/outcast, like a recluse in a shack or radical on the streets. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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The more things change, the more they stay the same. At least in the GOP.
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October 17, 2008
Top GOP Fund-Raiser Tied to Iraq Fuel Contract
By JAMES GLANZ and MICHAEL LUO
The Democratic chairman of a House investigative committee presented documents to the Pentagon on Thursday charging that a top Republican fund-raiser, Harry Sargeant III, made tens of millions of dollars in profits over the last four years because his contracting company vastly overcharged for deliveries of fuel to American air bases in Iraq.
In a written statement on Thursday, a lawyer for Mr. Sargeant, who is the finance chairman of the Florida Republican Party and a major fund-raiser for Senator John McCain�s presidential campaign, called the allegations �deeply disappointing� and asserted that they were not supported by the facts.
The contracting company, called the International Oil Trading Company, or I.O.T.C., was briefly in the news over the summer when a former partner filed a lawsuit against Mr. Sargeant in a Florida circuit court.
The former partner, a Jordanian named Mohammad al-Saleh, is a brother-in-law of King Abdullah II of Jordan. The court papers laid out his assertion that he obtained special governmental authorizations for the company to transport the fuel through Jordan and was then unlawfully forced out by Mr. Sargeant, who strongly disputed those allegations.
But the latest claims of impropriety by the company, presented by Representative Henry A. Waxman, Democrat of California, in a letter to Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, go much further. Mr. Waxman uses e-mail messages, company documents, Pentagon reports and other information to make the case that Mr. Sargeant repeatedly received contracts to deliver the fuel even though his company was not the lowest bidder.
In one case, the letter from Mr. Waxman, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, asserts that Mr. Sargeant�s company submitted the highest of six bids, but received the contract anyway. In fact, Pentagon contracting officers complained that the company�s prices were unreasonably high and initially said they could not justify giving the work to Mr. Sargeant.... |
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/world/middleeast/17fuel.html?hp=&pagewanted=all |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: |
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McCain's Bare Cupboard
By Eugene Robinson
Friday, October 17, 2008; A25
Grouchiness, twitchiness and haughtiness didn't help John McCain in Wednesday's debate, but what he said hurt him more than how he said it....
But I think McCain lost ground in the debates mainly because of his threadbare ideas and solutions. People didn't hear John McCain the brave iconoclast; they heard John McCain the doctrinaire conservative Republican, circa 1964.
Wednesday's debate had hardly begun when McCain accused Obama of fomenting "class warfare" through his proposed tax policies. When is the last time anyone used such an archaic term to describe the principle, long established in our tax code, that the wealthy ought to pay taxes at a higher rate than the poor? What are the classes that McCain fears Obama will incite? Will the upper-middle class have to barricade its leafy suburbs against marauding middle-class Jacobins from less-leafy suburbs nearby?
McCain wouldn't let this point go. Returning far too often to the case of "Joe the plumber" -- a man named Joe Wurzelbacher, whom Obama encountered recently while campaigning in Ohio -- McCain charged that Obama's proposals would raise Joe's taxes. The way McCain put it was that Obama wanted to "take that money from him and spread the wealth around."
McCain apparently intended for the phrase "spread the wealth," which Obama had uttered in his conversation with Wurzelbacher, to strike fear in the hearts of right-thinking Americans. But it's nothing more than an accurate definition of taxation, which most human civilizations have long accepted. I guess McCain was reaching back to the days when the idea of redistributing wealth had socialist connotations, but socialism is dead -- except on Wall Street, where a huge chunk of the nation's financial system is now owned by the federal government.... |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/16/AR2008101603180.html
I think he's right. Watching the debate on split screen, McCain's facial contortions grabbed your attention. And we have become all too accepting of the trite boilerplate McCain reels off in place of actual ideas. But they are not ideas. They are just emotional triggers intended to excite certain lilsteners. |
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Gatsby
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BreakfastInBed
Joined: 16 Oct 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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McCain's Bare Cupboard
By Eugene Robinson
Friday, October 17, 2008; A25
Grouchiness, twitchiness and haughtiness didn't help John McCain in Wednesday's debate, but what he said hurt him more than how he said it....
But I think McCain lost ground in the debates mainly because of his threadbare ideas and solutions. People didn't hear John McCain the brave iconoclast; they heard John McCain the doctrinaire conservative Republican, circa 1964.
Wednesday's debate had hardly begun when McCain accused Obama of fomenting "class warfare" through his proposed tax policies. When is the last time anyone used such an archaic term to describe the principle, long established in our tax code, that the wealthy ought to pay taxes at a higher rate than the poor? What are the classes that McCain fears Obama will incite? Will the upper-middle class have to barricade its leafy suburbs against marauding middle-class Jacobins from less-leafy suburbs nearby?
McCain wouldn't let this point go. Returning far too often to the case of "Joe the plumber" -- a man named Joe Wurzelbacher, whom Obama encountered recently while campaigning in Ohio -- McCain charged that Obama's proposals would raise Joe's taxes. The way McCain put it was that Obama wanted to "take that money from him and spread the wealth around."
McCain apparently intended for the phrase "spread the wealth," which Obama had uttered in his conversation with Wurzelbacher, to strike fear in the hearts of right-thinking Americans. But it's nothing more than an accurate definition of taxation, which most human civilizations have long accepted. I guess McCain was reaching back to the days when the idea of redistributing wealth had socialist connotations, but socialism is dead -- except on Wall Street, where a huge chunk of the nation's financial system is now owned by the federal government.... |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/16/AR2008101603180.html
I think he's right. Watching the debate on split screen, McCain's facial contortions grabbed your attention. And we have become all too accepting of the trite boilerplate McCain reels off in place of actual ideas. But they are not ideas. They are just emotional triggers intended to excite certain lilsteners. |
Yeah, I was fairly impressed with McCain in the 2nd debate, but the 3rd was painful. He was really stuck in a rut. Obama was light years ahead of him. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:39 am Post subject: |
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Just viewed them, great questions by Letterman. Sadly, McCain just tried to argue all of his wrong messed up points, too bad, but expected. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: |
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You want to know why McCain-Palin will lose the election?
The Internet.
McPain makes the charge that "We really don't know who this Barack Obama is" and it falls flat.
Why?
Besides the obvious, that he has been campaigning for nearly two years, the rest of the world knows how to use the Internet, unlike McCain. Any voter who wants to can know far more about any candidate than back in 2000 or 1988. We are not dependent on what propaganda the campaigns feed to the media and what appears on the 20 minute nightly news program.
All we have to do is google the name and any issue, and up pops dozens of articles with the facts, and all sides of the story. Obama and Ayers, Obama and ACORN, Obama and Muslim. Whatever. We have access to virtually every newspaper in the United States, if not the world. And McCain can say with a straight face, "We still don't know who Barack Obama is."
Give me a break!
John McCain is clueless.
With the Internet, it's more like the candidates are standing naked before the voting public. |
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The Hammer
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ullungdo 37.5 N, 130.9 E, altitude : 223 m
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| Who was a more successful bomber (in terms of numbers of civilians killed) Ayers or McCain? |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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"My friends, we've got them just where we want them!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTn268d-oyQ
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An excerpt from his prepared remarks below:
"Let me give you the state of the race today. We have 22 days to go. We�re 6 points down. The national media has written us off. Senator Obama is measuring the drapes, and planning with Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid to raise taxes, increase spending, take away your right to vote by secret ballot in labor elections, and concede defeat in Iraq. But they forgot to let you decide. My friends, we�ve got them just where we want them.
"What America needs in this hour is a fighter; someone who puts all his cards on the table and trusts the judgment of the American people. I come from a long line of McCains who believed that to love America is to fight for her. I have fought for you most of my life. There are other ways to love this country, but I�ve never been the kind to do it from the sidelines." |
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/13/new-mccain-stump-weve-got-them-just-where-we-want-them/
Now that's straight talk!
I guess the only question now is whether McCain will run for re-election in 2012? He will be, what, 76 years old? |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:03 am Post subject: |
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Andrew Sullivan on John McCain:
He's George W. Bush, without the prudence and caution.
I got that from Doonesbury's Mudline. Here's the rest:
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Will Anyone Hire Steve Schmidt Again?
He's a man who makes even Karl "Durable Majority" Rove look smart. Robert Draper's forthcoming campaign piece apparently has the following nugget:
The decision [to pick Palin] may have been even more impulsive than initially thought. Gov. Sarah Palin, who had never been on the VP shortlist, was advanced at the last minute by Schmidt and Rick Davis, and was picked after a less-than-hour-long chat in with McCain at his ranch in Arizona.
From what I hear, the Palin selection was completely last-second stuff. Utterly unvetted. Utterly reckless. McCain was intent on Lieberman until the very last moment. If you want a commander-in-chief who will make vital decisions at the last minute, on impulse, according purely to polls and electoral tactics, against his own judgment and deferring to Rovian hacks: vote for McCain.
He's George W. Bush, without the prudence and caution. |
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/will-anyone-hir.html |
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Gatsby
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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Please, please, please DO NOT VOTE FOR JOHN McCAIN!
For McCain's sake!
Consider, even John McCain doesn't really believe he is going to win this election. Heck, even that numbskull Palin doesn't believe it.
So, if McCain did win, he would probably have a heart attack on Nov. 5 from the shock!
And you know what that would mean. |
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