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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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| Fox wrote: |
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| You know what, you have out-pettied me, and I can be petty for quite a while- that's a feat. |
Nothing petty about defending myself from someone who randomly decided to take issue with my words due to misunderstanding them and wouldn't let it drop due to pride.
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I'm sure there isn't. The brown color pencil is always the last to go. Pennies are unhygienic. I hate Sundays. It's been a great game on non-sequitur with you. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:55 am Post subject: |
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Check my last post. The coyotes on the eastern coast have been cross-bred with wolves. They're bigger, more brazen and travel in larger packs. That much is obvious from the OP: they killed an experienced hiker. I'm guessing she did a fair amount of shouting, didn't do her any good. |
Its still just a freak occurrence. This is the first time an Eastern coyote has caused a human fatality ...in entire world history. Ramblers have been walking among these Eastern coyotes within Cape Breton park for decades without incident.
Never mind their larger cousins the Wolf. There are no documented fatalities from wolf attacks in North America. |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
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Check my last post. The coyotes on the eastern coast have been cross-bred with wolves. They're bigger, more brazen and travel in larger packs. That much is obvious from the OP: they killed an experienced hiker. I'm guessing she did a fair amount of shouting, didn't do her any good. |
Its still just a freak occurrence. This is the first time an Eastern coyote has caused a human fatality ...in entire world history. Ramblers have been walking among these Eastern coyotes within Cape Breton park for decades without incident.
Never mind their larger cousins the Wolf. There are no documented fatalities from wolf attacks in North America. |
It is definitely a weird occurrence, and unprecedented, but it does accompany a change in the eastern coyote's normal habits. People have been saying in recent years coyotes are becoming bolder.
Personally, if you blame the attacks on interbreeding, I would be more inclined to blame a cross-breeding between coyotes and dogs. There have been cases where half wolf-half dog breeds attack humans. But I really just think this is in the coyote's nature because they are far more adaptable than wolves. If something starts acting like prey, it becomes prey.
Yelling at coyotes doesn't always work. About five of them traveled across my aunt's lawn (she lives next door to me) and stopped to stare at her while she was on her porch. She started screaming bloody murder at them, and they just stopped and stared for a little while longer until she went inside. But if you have to deal with them, I agree: run, yell, throw shit, pick up a weapon, and hope they decide you aren't worth the trouble. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
Personally, if you blame the attacks on interbreeding, I would be more inclined to blame a cross-breeding between coyotes and dogs. There have been cases where half wolf-half dog breeds attack humans. |
Thing is...why isn't there mass hysteria when somebody's rottweiler kills a person? I mean there have been several hundred deaths from domestic dogs in the past few decades in the US...as opposed to only 2 (two) fatalities from coyotes in world history.
if you were out to make Americans safer, the obvious thing to do would be to wipe out pet pooches everywhere. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
Personally, if you blame the attacks on interbreeding, I would be more inclined to blame a cross-breeding between coyotes and dogs. There have been cases where half wolf-half dog breeds attack humans. |
Thing is...why isn't there mass hysteria when somebody's rottweiler kills a person? |
There is about some breeds. Pit bulls are very discriminated against; it's almost impossible to find rental space in some areas if you own them. Even Rottweilers have a pretty bad reputation in a lot of areas.
Try renting an apartment if you have a Collie, and try if you have a Pit Bull, and you'll often get two very different results, even though ultimately how dangerous these dogs are is much more related to their training than anything else. |
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sqrlnutz123
Joined: 15 Jun 2009
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| The most important thing I've taken away from this thread is that Fox and ABoxOfChocolates need to get married. Immediately. They are obviously meant for each-other in a way that nobody else on earth ever has been. The second most important thing: Me against a coyote?? Bet on the coyote.[/i] |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
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That dude is my hero.
I think you are usually right, but I also think if an animal has decided no holds barred he is going to eat you or die trying, the animal is going to succeed. ! |
If it's a coyote against me, the only thing the coyote is going to succeed at doing is dying.
Now if it were a bull mastiff or some other similar sized dog then yes, maybe. |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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That dude is my hero.
I think you are usually right, but I also think if an animal has decided no holds barred he is going to eat you or die trying, the animal is going to succeed. ! |
If it's a coyote against me, the only thing the coyote is going to succeed at doing is dying.
Now if it were a bull mastiff or some other similar sized dog then yes, maybe. |
Sure. |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| I'm sure I could fight off, if not kill two coyotes with my bare hands. But I'm not your average man. I train UFC. I know UFC punches, UFC kicks and UFC submissions. Fighting off an entire pack of coyotes is another story. I would probably catch the first one that leapt at me by the paw and then swing it around like a helicopter until my brother got there. |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| rumdiary wrote: |
| I'm sure I could fight off, if not kill two coyotes with my bare hands. But I'm not your average man. I train UFC. I know UFC punches, UFC kicks and UFC submissions. Fighting off an entire pack of coyotes is another story. I would probably catch the first one that leapt at me by the paw and then swing it around like a helicopter until my brother got there. |
That's right. A coyote might have a pretty god stand up game, but I'm sure you could take him on the ground. Just pull guard and throw a kimura on him. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
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That dude is my hero.
I think you are usually right, but I also think if an animal has decided no holds barred he is going to eat you or die trying, the animal is going to succeed. ! |
If it's a coyote against me, the only thing the coyote is going to succeed at doing is dying.
Now if it were a bull mastiff or some other similar sized dog then yes, maybe. |
Sure. |
Hmm, why did you go from insisting a woman could fend off a coyote to being dubious that a man could do so?  |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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I initially thought this thread might involve Demi Moore and Madonna.  (taking out Avril Lavigne perhaps) |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| I initially thought this thread might involve Demi Moore and Madonna. (taking out Avril Lavigne perhaps) |
Aren't they called cougars? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:22 am Post subject: |
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the healthy looking early forties ones are!
the droopy scrawny late forties ones are more like 'coyotes' Coyote Ugly, as in the dancers, uh... it was an initial impression |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
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That dude is my hero.
I think you are usually right, but I also think if an animal has decided no holds barred he is going to eat you or die trying, the animal is going to succeed. ! |
If it's a coyote against me, the only thing the coyote is going to succeed at doing is dying.
Now if it were a bull mastiff or some other similar sized dog then yes, maybe. |
Sure. |
I outweight a coyote by more then 4x. Plus their only weapons are their teeth which they have to get in close to use. I have 2 hands and 2 feet, both which can be used to keep it out of range. If worst comes to worst, shove one arm into its mouth to keep it busy, while grabbing the windpipe with the other hand and crushing it. And out in the wild, there are plenty of stones and sticks which can be used to keep it at bay or injure it enough to drive it off.
It's not like it's the first time I've taken on some enraged canine anyway. And coyotes aren't that big. Now if it were a pack, that would be a different story. |
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